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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: NiGGy]
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You can live there, but you'd need food, water, and shelter (which is expensive, thereby requiring you to have a job.... which opens up a whole other can of BS), so you can't stay there all the time :wink:


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: Strumpling]
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Edited by sever (07/17/06 04:26 PM)

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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: NiGGy]
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heh, some of the comments in this discussion seem to smack of a fairly Idealist (or as Dummet would call it, an Anti-Realist) philosophy. Basically the idea that we create the world around us with our minds, and it doesn't necessarily exist outside of our minds. Descartes is perhaps the most famous for bringing this subject up in his Meditations, specifically in the section known as the dreaming argument (ie: even if this all seems very real, how do I know I'm not dreaming?). Even if this seems like a fairly simple idea, it has plauged the Realist philosophers for centuries.

Anyways, the interesting thing is, once you believe that the world around you is created with your mind, you begin to wonder if you can change it (it is *your* mind, afterall). This is why mushrooms and other hallucinogens are of particular interest to me, because they give your mind some sort of catalyst, or jump start or whatever, to changing the world around you, the world created by your mind. Why just create a world for yourself in your meditations? Alter your perception of the world, change the way you interpret your surroundings, make the world around you what you want.

Terribly sorry if this seems a little off the topic in this thread, but I thought I needed to chuck my 2 cents in anyways :]


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[I do not, nor have I or will I ever grow mushrooms; the mushrooms grow themselves]

"You say nothing's right but natural things
Ah, you fool
Poison oak is a natural plant
Why don't you put some in your food"
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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: NiGGy]
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We all DO in fact, live in our "own worlds"....Perhaps "Our Versions Of This World" would be a more accurate statement. But what is it that determines our "Versions"? Various things, of course. When we were all born...we were all blank books waiting to be written. Blank programs waiting to be programmed. Empty worlds waiting to be filled. The way we grow up determines much of how "our programs shall be programmed". Everytime we talk to ourselves...we are in fact, programming ourselves "I hate the way I look", "Life is so beautiful", etc. When we were growing up, that was when we recieved the first programming in this particular lifetime. Everytime our parents spoke to us, whether directly or indirectly, they were in fact, programming our brains. Whenever teachers at school taught us something, they too, were programming our minds. Whenever we played amongst the children in the playground, we were learning through our experiences, and thus, programming ourselves. Programming creates Beliefs....Beliefs creates attitudes....attitudes creates feelings......feelings creates actions....and actions....creates results. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where I am going with this. It is fairly obvious that the "versions" of the world we live in....are the versions that we have programmed in us, through the sum total of our choices, decisions, experiences, history and so on. But most of all, it is when we talk to ourselves....watch tv....and listen to others...that takes up most of our programming. Studies show that 80% of all the input we recieve as children, is negative. ("No", "This is bad", "Dont do that", etc.) If you open your eyes, you'll see the results of this type of input everywhere you go. Imagine how much different, and better the world would be today, if 80% of the input we recieve was positive....But we can do more than imagine...we can achieve this ourselves. Everytime you talk to yourself, you are programming yourself. Instead of saying the usual negative B.S. Say the positive side, no matter how ridiculous or unrealistic it may sound. Because remember, we were all blank books at one time, and our minds are just like computers in the sense that it doesn't think in terms of "right or wrong", it just simply recieves input, or info, and acts on what it recieves, based on the programming it has had. So we can all re-program our "Versions" of this world...and create a better, happier version of our world....and who knows? If you are truly adamant and successful, you can go beyond that. =) Oh and I would use shrooms as ammunition too! =)


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: NiGGy]
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AND BY THE WAY I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW......=)


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: eoPh]
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Well this world is just created by our own minds except the fact that we all share the same delusion. The only reason most of us cant effect reality with our mind is because everyone elses mind wont let us. But through meditation and psychedelics we might eventualy reach a state of matrix powers where you could run at great speed and jump silly heights. I dont even beleive in science fiction, as that stuff has already been imagined therefore will eventually exist.
Because it all comes from the mind.


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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when I go to the supermarket to purchase food, I'm not just in my own mind - I'm in the supermarket with many other minds. When I hand the cashier my money, I'm not just in my own mind, I'm in THEIR mind too, and they in mine, and so on..

Its an internet of sorts - just like how when I go to work I'm not just in my mind, I'm in my customer's minds and my boss and so on..

You can only live exclusively in your own mind OCCASIONALLY, because exterior interruptions and physical needs will get in the way.


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: Strumpling]
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Ultimately your mind is what puts the labels on everything. I would like to quote Timothy Leary, "every reality is an opinion". We do create everything we see, however most people are gods in drag and do not realise it. There is still holds the mysteries of the euro-atomic--infra, supra and meta-physiological world though, that place where you can go when having an OBE, or NDE, e.t.c.

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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: Earth_Droid]
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what I mean is my mind truely doesn't control everything (just my perceptions and reactions of the objective) like when I'm at the supermarket, the cashier may say something I never thought about..


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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: NiGGy]
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heh, it's kinda funny to bring up, but when I was younger (around 14 or 15), I had convinced myself that the entire world was in my mind, and that the people I interacted with were just facets of my own mind, or better put, different aspects of myself. Whenever I would talk to someone, I was just talking to myself, but a different aspect of myself with a different approach and perspective on things. It may sound kind of funny now (or maybe not), but I think that the most interesting thing about a point of view such as this is that it cannot be disproven. Being that I have no direct access to the minds of others, how can I prove that they aren't just different aspects of myself? One might argue that if they were, then I *should* have access to their every thought (being that they're in my mind), but I have yet to come to a conclusion as to whether or not I have access to every aspect of my own mind, and so it is quite possible that they could exist in my mind, but the only way I have access to those portions of my mind is by communicating with these so-called "others" in this so-called "reality".

Which reminds me, who here has seen Richard Linklater's "Waking Life"? If you haven't, get off the computer, get down to the video store, and get watching. Possibly one of the best films I've ever seen, and that's saying A LOT.


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"You say nothing's right but natural things
Ah, you fool
Poison oak is a natural plant
Why don't you put some in your food"
(Jefferson Airplane, "Eat Starch Mom")

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Re: is it possible to live in a world your mind creates? [Re: eoPh]
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Any map for reality that functions just as well as another, but with benifits in some direction such as peace of mind, should be used until they fail.  Nobody said you have to tell people how you view the world if it makes you feel nuts.  Nuts=happy.

That's how I see it.  Everyone is crazy/happy on the inside, it's just a matter of how much we let out. :smirk: :wink: :grin:

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