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Does any one belive in crystals healing power?
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Well I do. I have a Herkimer Diamond under my pillow. Sine I put it there my dreams have become so real. As if I havnt fallen a sleep. Also I have felt a huge rise in my energy level. These are all things that this crystal helps with. I havnt used any of my other crystals yet but I will as I learn about them. Does any one else have any crystal stories or expieriences?

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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i want to buy a crystal, because i do believe in them... but i'm extremely skeptical of anything i have to buy. although i believe whats important is what it means to me. it means nothing to me unless im comfortable with where it came from. makes it hard for me to buy cool little wooden statues and crap, cause i worry some kid in china was paid a cent to made 100 of em...

anywho, does anybody know any reliable websites please? and which ones are bullshit?


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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never had an experience with them so I really don't know. if they work for you, why not!!!


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: kaiowas]
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There are several theories about Atlantis and the way they used cristals for healing, comunicating and controlling energy flows.
Well, i don't know if that's true but light is a form of energy and a shaped crystal can concentrate that energy or disperse it. This can be used in many ways, some ways might be very empirical. I'm saying this because i believe science hasn't a complete understanding of such preocess, although i'm not saying they don't exist.

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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Sine I put it there my dreams have become so real. As if I havnt fallen a sleep. Also I have felt a huge rise in my energy level.

I am willing to do the $20,000 "Swami Herkimer Diamond Challenge". I will wager that no one can tell 100% of time if there is a crystal under their pillow or not (without checking).

Providing Swami Challenges since 1999...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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Crystals don't work if Swami is around... You should have known that! Read the manual before posting such shit!

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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> but light is a form of energy and a shaped crystal can concentrate that energy or disperse it.

So why not stick a magnifying glass under the pillow instead?


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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Placebo

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Seuss]
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I once stuck a tooth under my pillow when I was four and found a quarter in its place the next morning. Pure magic!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> but light is a form of energy and a shaped crystal can concentrate that energy or disperse it.

So why not stick a magnifying glass under the pillow instead? 


Because it's dark under the pillow :grin:

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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Some crystals can help a relationship...


ask any woman about diamond gifts.



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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Evolving]
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I know a guy who was hanging out with this guy who created a device with copper and crystals that could manifest rain clouds and make it rain in a very localized area. Sounded pretty neat.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Mixomatosis]
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I could use that on my car.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Evolving]
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There is something to them. Quartz vibrates when an electrical current runs through it. Not spaz vibrate, like an epileptic, but it vibrates with a constant pulse. That's why it is used in watches.


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Is attention your retarded heroin?

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Funguy]
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swami ill back up your bet with another 20,000


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Funguy]
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Quartz vibrates when an electrical current runs through it.

Relevance? How does this relate to healing or dreaming?


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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Yes. If you want to Know your "stone" or crystal. Then I suggest to drink it. Not ingest the whole thing but to let it set in water for a while and then drink that water before you go to bed. Just a suggestion Swami, I can't prove anything to you with words on a screen. Please don't bash my ideas in this thread as well. Thanks.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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You should not have to Buy the stone. You will know which stone is your power stone by dreaming of where it is. In your dreams you will see a certain stone, crystal, or even a pebble. If you can find this place in this world then that is your power stone. Keep it with you always. Later.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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I will bash any idea in any thread that is hogwash. Putting a crystal in water does not change the chemical composition or the bonds in the water nor does it effect your pineal gland (dreams).

Please take my $20,000 by showing there is validity to your claims. Should be v-e-r-y easy to do.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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Like I said before, Test Tube boy, You're "proof" will never come. The supernatural cannot be measured with a ruler. The matter has nothing to do with it. Do what you want. No one is suggesting that Swami has to do this. I can't prove anything to you. I can't prove that we are all here. Later.

Edited by medicinebag (11/20/03 03:23 PM)

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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A bit off topic, apologies:

> Please don't bash my ideas in this thread as well.

Ah... I see the problem now.  Just because Swami or any of us bash your ideas does not mean that we are bashing you as a person.  I know nothing at all about you and therefore assume that you are an outstanding person in real life.  However, I may or may not agree with the ideas that you post.  Those I will attack, but not because of you.  Sometimes I attack out of ignorance, sometimes because I plain disagree, and other times because I want to see how strong your convictions are on the issue.  Don't take anything negative said here to heart.

Ok... back to the thread... apologies again to the original poster.  :smile:

> Not ingest the whole thing but to let it set in water for a while and then drink that water before you go to bed.

Be sure you take the stone out before you drink.  I would hate for somebody to choke to death or chip a tooth.


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Please take my $20,000 by showing there is validity to your claims. Should be v-e-r-y easy to do.


Prove that you actually have $20,000 ... and I will consider taking it from you. Should be very easy to do.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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Like I said before, Test Tube boy, You're "proof" will never come.
"Test Tube Boy", hmmm - has a nice ring. I thought I was "Lab Coat Guy". Of course proof of hocum will never come; that is why it is hocum.

The supernatural cannot be measured with a ruler.
First test tube and now ruler? Are you on a parallell dimension Shroomery Board?

Seriously, if drinking quartzified water effects dreams, why is this impossible to test for? Either it works or it does not.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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Do you know what a Metaphor is?

Edited by medicinebag (11/20/03 03:33 PM)

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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> Seriously, if drinking quartzified water effects dreams, why is this impossible to test for?

Its more than quartzified water... you have to find your stone first... I think... but it should be easy to test... Have a set of people volunteer to be wired while they sleep.  Watch them for a week and see how often and long REM lasts.  Give half of them stone soaked water, and the other half regular water.  The giver of the water and the taker do not know the state of the water.  Watch the REM sleep again and see if there are statistically significant changes between the stone-water group and the control group.

> Do you know what a Metaphor is?

A type of quartz?  :grin:  (Sorry, couldn't help it... I shouldn't be mean...  *sigh*)


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Seuss]
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That will not work. Each person has their own stone. Not all people have one. Just like not all people trip. And just becasue you trip doesn't mean you have a power stone.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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From an old post of mine:

"What's a meta for?"

Kirk: Scotty, give me an update on the engines and don't use a metaphor!

Scotty: The display panel is blinking like the wee lights on a Christmas tree...

Kirk: [interrupting]...and no similes either!

Scotty: That I no kenna do, captain.



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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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*laugh* Spooky... is this a sign of the end... two unrelated thoughts going in two threads at the same time tied by a previous post from the Swami. *shiver* Time to go meditate...


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Seuss]
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(See thread on synchronicity)


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Seuss]
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I remember that post, as well. :shocked:
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: fireworks_god]
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rudraksha


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: eve69]
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If this matter that we "see" is only a vibration. How much "matter" is ignored by our senses? "Matter" in the sense of substances that are out of our ability to percieve. That other matter can not be measured if we cannot percieve it with our five senses. That other matter, spirit matter, is what is drank when communing with a stone for healing or knowledge.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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Medicinebag! Come on, brother. Don't you know that everything that can be discovered has ALREADY been discovered?

That's right. Science has it all figured out..

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
-Charles H. Duell, Commissioner U.S. Office of Patents, 1899

We can all rest easy.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Annom]
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Annom I don't belive that it is a placebo effect, for the reason is that I put it next to my bed with out priar knowledge that it has effects on ones dreams. I found this out after I slept next to it and felt its effects I began to study it more.
Some stones have a male side and a female side. Or maybe a postive and negative side. You can feel its vibrations when you put it to you forehead. One side gets pulled towards your forehead and one side pushes away. Its quite interesting.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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Your dreams haven't become more real. You just remember more of your dreams because you study the effects(after you had a vivid dream once).

Stones don't have a male and a female side. One side gets pulled towards your forehead and one side pushes away? I do believe you experience this but it doesn't really happen.

http://skepdic.com/crystals.html

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Annom]
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Stones with vibrations? Sort of makes sense to me. Don't know too much about it, but what I do know is that everything in our surroundings has some sort of effect on our minds.

You take a huge geode and put it on the top of your monitor, it is going to have a different effect on your subconscious if you put a Ronald Mc Donald stained in real blood doll on your monitor.

Everything you can sense has some sort of effect on you. Your conscious mind may have no awareness that it is even there (asbestos in the wall, maybe? :shocked: ) but as long as it is something that your senses can pick up, it is being picked up.

Do cystals spit out frequencies and shit that have cool effects on us? Perhaps. I don't know that much. What I do know is that they look fucking sweet and just having them around, purposely put in some place is going to have some effect on you.

How many people here light some incense? It has an effect on you, right? Well, we also have a sense of sight and a sense of, I guess I could call it spatial order, or something. :grin:
Peace.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: fireworks_god]
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Goodmorning all, Its not that it makes you have good dreams its just that it helps makes dreams more vivid and it helps you remember them almost to the T. I could tell you about all the dreams I had. I could tell you every little scene from those dreams. The Herkimere dimond helps.
If yall dont belive me you should go out and get one they run around 20 bills. Mine is rather large though it the size of my fist.

With the male and female side, my mom took my X's stone and placed it to her forehead. She then made us do the same thing. We all decided that one certain side pushed away while the other was drawn closer. We came to this conclusion with out any help from each other.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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I just took these stones and placed them to my forehead. Nothing happened.




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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Annom]
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It didn't work because it wasn't real gold. You fool! :grin:

Sorry, couldn't resist. hehe
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: fireworks_god]
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that them there's foooooooz gold

about the crystals seems interesting enough. got any sites for info?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: kaiowas]
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the reason why if there is power in crystals everyone is skeptikal because that is abstract thought and the human brain is very incapable of such an abstract thought that there is some sort of higher energy than we know about, or that there is some energy in a stone. i myself have no experience with crystals but i do understand why noone would beleive it, because it would be unexplainable. maybe there is power in those crystals we don't know about, maybe not. but i definately feel there is much more in our everyday lives than we have a slightest clue about. i wish we could use the rest of our brains.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: bent]
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you know, same here.  anyone know any sites, I guess I'll start searching as well :smile: I'm so lazy


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Swami]
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mayeb physical objects help a person focus and concentrate on a situation. they offer a manifestation of something immaterial?

just a thought, i dont necessarily think it as truth

what makes me not want to use crystals, even if they are "magickal" is that i would worry that use of crystals would weaken one's ability to focus without them. maybe not, but maybe. less confidence is general concentration


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: bent]
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> the reason why if there is power in crystals everyone is skeptikal because that is abstract thought and the human brain is very incapable of such an abstract thought that there is some sort of higher energy than we know about.

God is a sort of higher energy and therefor an abstract thought. Most Americans believe in god so I don't think that's the "problem" of our brain.

The reason that I'm skeptic is that it can be measured that the crystal has no effect if you put it under your pillow. If you don't tell a group whether they sleep on a crystal or not they will all feel the same, the people who slept on the crystal don't have more energy or something. This disproves the "effect" of the crystal.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
that them there's foooooooz gold


"laughs"

Fooooooooz gold, so if that was placed under your pillow you would have a fooooooz dream.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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"The reason that I'm skeptic is that it can be measured that the crystal has no effect if you put it under your pillow. If you don't tell a group whether they sleep on a crystal or not they will all feel the same, the people who slept on the crystal don't have more energy or something. This disproves the "effect" of the crystal."

How do you know that? Is it proven in clinical studies?

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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if crystals had healing power, than why isnt anyone capitalizing in this?

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Mixomatosis]
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People are, where do you think they all got their healing crystals? Out of a mine? No, from a store. I stated earlier the real power stone is dreamt into existence. It is not bought. Money can not buy power, power is earned. Later.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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If crystal's healing power, or the power it effects on your dreams, is indeed nothing but a placebo effect, or one might say imaginary effect, but, if the person in subject, truly DOES in fact experience a significant difference from when they didn't use any crystals or earthly stones of any sort, then it's obviously not fake, therefore, not "simply imagined". So, my point is...one side, the skeptics, are saying that the stones, in fact are not capable of doing what the other side, the believers, claim to be capable of doing, be it increasing dreamy adventures or healing whatever ails themselves. So with all that in mind, my view is that if the cold reality is, that stones are in fact not capable of such powers and so on, and yet at the same time, many people truly DO experience differences with them...then I must conclude that what it TRULY at work here, rather than the stones themselves...is the power of the MIND. If you believe that the stone will affect you, then you will experience your desired effects, to whatever extent the strength of your belief in conjunction with your mind will allow. But, needless to say, you dont even NEED the stones. Because all it is, is in your Mind. Reality is like a steel rod, you may not be able to break it, but you can bend it and shape it to your own desires, conform it to your mind's willpower. Most people do this naturally without realizing it, but unfortunately much of what we DO program our mind with isn't quite exactly of the best, most power-enabling software, so to speak. Not to say that you can't change it to a lesser or more degree...much of this premise is actually articulately explained in the great book that I highly recommend called  "What to say when you talk to yourself"   


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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"If you believe that the stone will affect you, then you will experience your desired effects, to whatever extent the strength of your belief in conjunction with your mind will allow."

That's somewhat debateable. Even people who believe 100% that the psychic surgeon removed their tumours generally go on to die. The placebo effect can only carry you so far.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: medicinebag]
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"That other matter can not be measured if we cannot percieve it with our five senses."

How do you know that your sense that it's there isn't just a delusion?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Phluck]
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"The placebo effect can only carry you so far. "

he didn't say it went all the way.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Mixomatosis]
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See the thing is, with my expierience I did not know what the effects would be when I put the crystal by my pillow. The next morining after I had vivid dreams that I remembered, I decided to research my crystal. I then found out what it does and it did it. So how can this be a PLACEBO effect if I went into it without any prior knowledge of its qualities.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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The next morining after I had vivid dreams that I remembered, I decided to research my crystal. I then found out what it does and it did it.

Ah, another believer wants it BOTH ways. Research implies study, data collection and verifiability; yet the believers say it is impossible to test for such paranormal qualities. Now which is it?


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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So what was your reason for even putting it under your pillow in the first place, as you said in the first post? Do you normally just put stones under your pillow without any reasons, expectancies? without any apprehensions, aims, ulterior motives, whether consciously or subconsciously? Sounds a bit odd if you ask me.


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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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> So how can this be a PLACEBO effect if I went into it without any prior knowledge of its qualities.

"testimonials, selective thinking, wishful thinking, the Forer effect, sympathetic magic, and communal reinforcement" - http://skepdic.com/crystals.html

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: Annom]
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Okay okay so it wasnt under my pillow but it was right next to my bed on my night stand.

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Re: Does any one belive in crystals healing power? [Re: ]
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don't you know that magic only works if you believe it will work?

try some NLP and visualization.

at least thats what a faerie told me.


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