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Is a massive LSD trip in order?
    #1927208 - 09/18/03 08:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey. Me again. Lately i've felt sort of like I haven't really been growing or progressing much lately and I wondered why that was. There were some things going on in my life and i thought maybe when they were over i could get myself sort of back on track. It's been almost 2 months since i last did shrooms and I was wonderin if maybe LSD could show me something of myself. Good idea? If I do go on this trip, is there any way to see anything I want to see? Like can I search for answers to my questions inside myself? Also what should I do to prepare for before and after the trip. Aside from the trip aspect of the post, anyone here have psychic powers they can use to figure out why things have been sort of off lately? And by sort of off i mean really fucking wacky , but still within the realm of normal if that makes any sense at all.

I'll view your posts tommorow and reply then probably. Untill then, stay cool. Peace!

P.S. I think you should all go run out right now and buy Thirteenth Step by A Perfect Circle if you haven't done so already.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1927233 - 09/18/03 08:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yes lsd is the awnser, but what is the question. everything is fake anyway, placcid and annoying. im sick of the human condition, comlex emotions that lead us nowhere. on a long enough time line everything comes down to nothing. who are we kidding ourselves, i didnt sign up for this, did you??


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1927321 - 09/18/03 08:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think you just have an inner voice that tells you when it's time to trip again.  That's how it is for me, anyway.  Lately that voice has been getting anxious. :mushroom2:


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1927392 - 09/18/03 09:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

LSD will help you find the answers to some of the questions you seek.
And you will think "Wow it is so clear, i was blind before"
But other questions that you ask
will only be answered with many more questions
Good luck on your search
I hope you find what you seek
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1927638 - 09/18/03 11:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Deep, trust me that i know what you feel, once you know what you really are, and being unable of being in that place 24/7, but only be "you" in this 3d world, it is sad.

So think about how come you ended up here, being part of the whole us in a lower level, and think that maybe you are lucky to experience this reality and why not enjoy it.

Lsd, you cant go wrong.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1927650 - 09/18/03 11:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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And by sort of off i mean really fucking wacky , but still within the realm of normal if that makes any sense at all.




That would be the feeling of the fluctuation Earth is currently experiencing between the 4th and 3rd densities.

Go within.. face fears.. align yourself with whatever it is that you need. You have the questions, and the answers.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1928247 - 09/18/03 02:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know what you mean by "wacky," but 'instability' is not a hallmark of a helpful LSD trip. I for one, cannot imagine the use of LSD without a working familiarity with Yoga practice - all Eight Limbs - beginning with the preparatory ethical and moral conditions (Yama and Niyama). After the acid is taken, the energies that are evolved absolutely require the redirection provided by Asanic positions in order to keep the energies from accumulating too much in the Solar Plexus, resulting in nausea, agitation, cramping, etc. The increasing subtlety of practices following the Asanas, as well as the movement through the Chakras, continue to refine the energies, like raw water power from a wild river, being dammed, channeled through turbines where kinetic energy is transformed into electric energy, which in turn yields radiant heat and which can again be transformed into cool, radiant, florescent light, for example. Without the psychophysical and spiritual parameters of this ancient discipline, or without the guidance of someone with extensive training and experience (say, of the school of Stan Grof), taking LSD is unlikely to be truly useful, and may even precipitate real problems. This is just my opinion, but it follows hundred of psychedelic sessions over a 30 year period.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1928292 - 09/18/03 03:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I for one, cannot  imagine  the use of LSD without a working familiarity with Yoga practice - all Eight Limbs - beginning with the preparatory ethical and moral conditions (Yama and Niyama). After the acid is taken, the energies that are evolved absolutely require the redirection provided by Asanic positions in order to keep the energies from accumulating too much in the Solar Plexus, resulting in nausea, agitation, cramping, etc. The increasing subtlety of practices following the Asanas, as well as the movement through the Chakras, continue to refine the energies, like raw water power from a wild river, being dammed, channeled through turbines where kinetic energy is transformed into electric energy, which in turn yields radiant heat and which can again be transformed into cool, radiant, florescent light, for example. Without the psychophysical and spiritual parameters of this ancient discipline, or without the guidance of someone with extensive training and experience (say, of the school of Stan Grof), taking LSD is unlikely to be truly useful, and may even precipitate real problems.  This is just my opinion, but it follows hundred of psychedelic sessions over a 30 year period.   





So, without the help of a "professional" , It is pointless to take LSD? :confused: 


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1928376 - 09/18/03 05:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

So 30 years of tripping - how much yoga? and you actually use the yoga right at the start of your trip? sounds like an excellent idea.
I am interested in yoga but largely ignorant. any relevant stories/advice for someone like me?



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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1928618 - 09/18/03 07:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1928624 - 09/18/03 07:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1929021 - 09/18/03 10:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes I think using LSD and other true psychadelics without a framework to model the experience - at least conceptually to start, as no theory should take precdence over experience - makes it harder for the user to take anything lasting from the experience.
Propoents have argued for psychedelic usage from different views - some medicalize it, linking it to lisenced shrinks and therapy, some are less strict and say some type of guidance is essential, but it shouldn't be medicalized, and still others just want everyone to do it.
I tend to think that some foreknowledge is helpful. I credit extensive reading with allowing me to avoid the fear that can lead to negative experiences in my psychadelic usage. Plus, I have a world view or cosmology or something that allows for such things, so I have prepared my consciousness and attempted to prepare my unconsciousness. People with little prep might not be able to integrate such a change. People who have control "issues" especially seem to have trouble with the psychadelics.
Still, I am interested in the yoga tool being used simultaneously with LSd. Sounds like a great idea, me not quite even a yoga neophyte yet.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1929486 - 09/19/03 12:11 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How would you know "most people that have taken LSD," when the experiments commenced 20 years before you were born? Hell's Bells man, I had taken LSD over 100 times before you were born, and the acid use of my immediate elders turned millions of people onto Transcendental Meditation, which encouraged Hatha Yoga as a preparation for sitting meditation. Maybe the people YOU currently know play music with acid use, but THAT isn't going to result in the kind of change that someone with training in [the forbidden] psychedelic psychotherapy can help to elicit.

Moreover, the point of your challenge eludes me. Having read a bunch of Ram Dass's writings, the point should have been made to you long ago about the parallel and even identity between Yoga and psychedelics (given the ancient Vedic hymns to Soma - a psychedelic that engendered the beginnings of Yoga).


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: seraphim]
    #1929491 - 09/19/03 12:13 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

'BE HERE NOW' by The Lama Foundation, 1973.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: sirreal]
    #1929533 - 09/19/03 12:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If you cannot find an expert, become an expert. This means a good deal of learning, for oneself, and before one works with someone else. I recommend reading 'Realms of the Human Unconscious: Observations From LSD Research' by Stanislav Grof, M.D. to get an idea of where LSD psychotherapy takes a person. Whatever experience that I have pales in significance to the thousands of subjects he's known over the decades. Grof is the unparalleled expert in this field and my mentor (through his work).


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1929771 - 09/19/03 01:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I just got over a similar experience.. I did acid 4 times in one week and felt much better afterwards.. Acid is great for showing you the good in everything around you..


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1929985 - 09/19/03 02:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What is this 4th and 3rd densities you speak of? Also it feels like lately that something out there has been calling me, like telling me I need to experience the acid trip and that something is waiting there for me. Anyone felt this before?


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1930193 - 09/19/03 03:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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What is this 4th and 3rd densities you speak of? Also it feels like lately that something out there has been calling me, like telling me I need to experience the acid trip and that something is waiting there for me. Anyone felt this before?





I have been feeling this also i feel like i need a lsd trip .It feels like a lsd trip will bring the magic back. since latley i feel stuck like im not progresin in my journey.

I also feel the smae way about what you said on your first post


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1930239 - 09/19/03 04:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the compliment, but on the one hand, I'm not so rare among hippies of my generation, and on the other hand, there is only one of me for all time, so I'm both 'a type' AND I'm singularly unique. They cancel each other - self-importance is just harmful to spiritual development anyway. (It's one of those true things that came out of the fictional Casteneda works).

Yoga, young apprentice :smile: means Union [from the Sanskrit root -yug] and refers to Union with the Divine. Different schools of Yoga reference a Personal God (Iswara) or The Divine Personality of the Godhead (Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita), or an Impersonal Absolute (Shankara; Advaita) or the recognition that God is both Personal and Transpersonal (Saguna Brahman/Nirguna Brahman respectively). Different disciplines exist within these schools: Bhakti, the Yoga of the Gita, is devotional; Karma is the Yoga of selfless action (Mother Theresa); Jnana (pronounced Gyan) is the Yoga of Knowledge (Gnosis); Hatha (Sun-Moon) Yoga focuses on physical positions; Kundalini Yoga uses postures, breathing, exercises and visualizations. Today one reads about Integral Yoga, Power Yoga, Iyengar Yoga, but all harken back to the formulations of Patanjali's Ashtanga or Eight-Limbed Yoga that you can look up on the net. This is the classic form that embodies all of the others. It defines the psycho-physico-spiritual stages that can be found among Western mystics who never even heard about Yoga, because these stages are archetypal - they derive from the very structure of the human psyche.

Now lest the Christian man or woman object to an apparent monopoly of sacred knowledge which seems to be held by India - a predominantly Hindu culture, I direct those individuals to the Eastern Orthodox Christian tradition of Hesychasm (Tranquility) which conjoins standard Christian beliefs to a Yoga-like body of practices which utilize postures, breathing, heartbeat and inner focus on the 'formless Name of the Logos' in one's Heart, while repeating the Jesus Prayer (where the Name Jesus means all of its synonyms like Logos, Word, Light, Pearl, 2nd Hypostasis of the Trinity, etc. and NEVER the image of some bearded Jewish carpenter). While these practices constitute higher degrees of Sanctification for the Christian, and are available only to the Christian, the Christian and non-Christian alike can practice Ashtanga Yoga and benefit from it - on acid (especially) and off. Vishnudevananda's 'Complete Illustrated Book of Yoga' is about the best for self-instruction, and Christopher Isherwood's little book 'How to Know God' is an excellent rendering of Patanjali's Yoga, including the two types of Samadhi (Enstasy) and the sub-levels - all of which relate to psychedelic states of awareness.

Lama Govinda's 'Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism' presupposes a knowledge of Hindu Yoga, and then describes Tibetan Buddhist Yoga (especially of the Inner Fire as contrasted with Kundalini Yoga) but expect an advanced, lengthy study of this text. A 'Lama' title goes beyond the 'Geshe' title, which is equivalent to a Doctoral level of knowledge in Tibetan Buddhism. Better left to scholars it is.

It's like working out enter. One can dabble here and there with weights at home, or go to a gym once in a while, but if one wishes to make real progress, one needs to select a discipline and work it until results clearly manifest. Armchair philosophy is just mental masturbation. One can mix zinc dust with sulphur, lay it on the ground, light it, and have a big blue flash and a thick cloud of smoke. But, if one fashions an engine, and shapes a nozzle according to established specifications, then the same amount of rocket fuel can send a homemade rocket 1000 feet in the air. I know, I used to build them. One can take a s**tload of LSD and just become a neurological burnout, or one can follow certain prescribed specifications and Really SOAR! 


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1930251 - 09/19/03 04:11 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i used to get that feeling that something out there was calling me and that something was waiting for me too.
It makes me feel really restless
I'm sure it will come back
I also felt like my journey was slowing down..and eventually felt like it had just stopped and died away (sad feeling)
1 hit of fractal this summer...not even enough to trip really...and i havent felt like that in a while
What is it about acid that does that?
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1931597 - 09/19/03 01:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I also felt like my journey was slowing down..and eventually felt like it had just stopped and died away (sad feeling)





Exactly the way i feel. ive tried lots of differnt things like meditation, mushrooms, dmt lately and none make me feel like lsd does afterwards.it feels like it died away too, like i burned out at a young age very sad feeling. i really wish i could get some doses.

Im not saying i need lsd to feel like this all the time.one good trip will show me the way again for a very long time, in my expirience 2 years


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1932123 - 09/19/03 08:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If you hadn't been so self-absorbed, you would've seen me on the green Indian rug doing Halasan, Matsyasan, Janu Sirasan...look 'em up!

Follow the classic steps of Yoga. I know that Yamas and Niyamas are already in place with you. That means beginning with the body (Asanas), moving to chosen breathing exercises (Pranayama) - but not too much because too much Shakti [nervous energy] will be uncomfortable if not unmanageable; then the inner stages of sense withdrawal (Pratyahara), Concentration (Dharana), Meditation (Dhyana) - which is a movement in which Concentration (on a select mental object) becomes effortless; and Samadhi (the continued effortless and blissful condition [Ananda] that results from passing through these stages). One has to learn and practice these stages BEFORE one imbibes a Sacred Substance. That is not the time to learn how. Pilots learn on a simulator before they leave the ground. Make mistakes before hand 'cause you don't want to waste valuable 'flight time.'

What one can aim for is the experience of 'placing the Mind in one's Heart.' This is the crux of Vajrayana Buddhist practice [the Diamond Body], the crux of the highest Hindu mysticism called Advaita [Hridayam - Heart Cave], of Eastern Orthodox Hesychasm [the Heart], of Catholic mysticism [the Sacred Heart - which illustrates the process by the Crown of Thorns from the Head of Christ, now encircling the Heart made radiant by the Holy Spirit which 'takes residence' in the Head-Heart Union; in Islamic Sufi Dhikkir practices, and on and on.
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1933302 - 09/20/03 02:28 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Once again, you seem to be having a dialogue with yourself, not me. Firstly, I don't know how you go off on fancied tangents 1) about the Christian mythos as differing in your perception and mine, and 2) Union with GOD, which constitutes mysticism proper, of which the Sanskrit word is Yoga, is just that - UNION. It is no longer Comm[union], which connotes two Subjects: Divine and human. Mystical Union is Oneness with GOD. It is a paradox. It is not approached with logic, and the paradox is not soluble in any amount of rational thought. Mysticism is Transrational. It does not say that my self IS YHVH. It does not say that MarkostheGnostic created the heavens and the Earth. What this is about is your own fear at the incredible possibility of 'Fana,' an Islamic term for the extinction of one's ego in GOD, and yet the paradox of full awareness of the Reality of GOD. There remains ONLY "the Imperishable Face," which is Islamic talk for the Immediacy of GOD's Presence - nothing else.

It is through human awareness or consciousness that the Reality of Infinite Awareness, which is one of GOD's attributes, is known. GOD's Essence is Unknowable to anyone but GOD. GOD's Uncreated Energies (Grace, Virtue, etc.), GOD's Holy Spirit, which is the Divine Immanence - suffusing the creation, but not of the substance of creation - IS knowable by the human being. There is the Nature of GOD and GOD's Essence here. The first is knowable insofar as GOD reveals Him/Herself to the duly prepared human, the latter is not knowable to any but GOD. This theology runs through all of the world religions. And, from a Christian theological view, GOD's Logos/Son/Pearl/Word/Light/Wonderful Counselor, is that aspect of Divinity which can interface with the human being. Therefore, GOD [the Father] or 'Primordial Being,' remains hidden, while GOD [the Son] or 'Expressive Being' and GOD [the Holy Spirit] or 'Unitive Being' is experienceable. Now this is orthodox Christian theology - Masters and Doctoral level theology - as authored by John MacQuarrie's 'Principles of Christian Theology.'

This isn't make-believe - this is about the experience of the Living GOD Who enters into the Center of the human being through a psychospiritual 'singularity' in the Heart - a '0 dimension point' where the Infinitesimally small and the Infinitely large are Absolutely Identical. In Infinity, large and small disappear as qualifiers. Atman and Brahman. Christ and self. "I live, yet not I; Christ liveth in me." I live, yet not I - paradox. Paul's 'awareness' is an awareness that his Center is no longer the ego, it has been dethroned as the center of his being, and Christ has become the new Center of his psychospiritual life. The ego now serves the true Center and King of one's inner life - Christ. One lives in obeyance to the loving dictates of this new Center, for it is Wisdom itself, Love itself, and It/He is the only Master worth obeying. One is Divinely Governed by Compassion now, and rather than being a shortcoming, life has shown me the Truth in: "Seek first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteousness, and all things will be added to you."


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1933406 - 09/20/03 03:13 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1933521 - 09/20/03 04:13 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In case it hasn't yet occurred to you, the Name and therefore the Meaning of GOD that was revealed to Moses was the 'Eyeh Asher Eyeh' which is usually translated as "I AM THAT I AM." The actual Hebrew would be "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE." Whatever. The point is that GOD is Named as Identity - Selfhood. Now, the Infinite 'I AM' is not the same as contingent beings (us), but as you will agree, GOD is the Source of all things, and GOD sustains our existence, moment-to-moment. Our existence, as aware beings is what GOD sustains, not as mere 'dust' or 'clay.' We are created in GOD's 'image and likeness,' and I could go on about what these things mean in Christian theology, but that would take me too far afield. Moses was allowed to see GOD's "hind portion," while hidden in a cleft of rock. Did Moses literally see GOD's ass?!! No. The Essence of GOD remains hidden. In Greek mythology, the unfortunate mortal who won any favor from Zeus chose to see him in his true form. Zeus begged her not to ask this, but he kept his word. She was annihilated in his light. Krishna shows Arjuna his Universal Form, and Arjuna is not annihilated, but he is 'blown away.' Nirvana means, literally, 'blowing out,' as a candle flame - extinction of desire.

The 'Face of GOD alone does not perish.' The Face of GOD is formless Transcendence. It cannot be described, nor committed to image or art. To do so is blasphemy, and this is wise. The Face of GOD is not a 33 year old bearded Jewish carpenter. "There is no GOD but GOD..." Islam insists. "Hear O Israel, the LORD thy GOD, the LORD is ONE" - the Shema that Jesus Himself recited with all due reverence- addresses GOD. GOD is ONE. ONE. UNO. UNITAS. UNITY. What is your question?

Patanjali, BTW, was the first to codify the teachings into a coherent body of instruction. If he called Christ Atman, that should not be held against him. I call my wife Rose, her biological mother calls her Marie, her step-mother calls her Ayo [Ayo Ba-Wa'lay - 'Joy has returned home'). The Lady responds with affection to all of us - they are all her names. My GOD is not petty, nor is He easily offended. I aspire to BE like Him.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1933941 - 09/20/03 07:23 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yes,
its so reassuring/refreshing to read things like this
i've been "yearning" (can't think of a better way to say it)
for a good lsd trip for some time...
it's like a constant pulling sensation...
not like addiction, i know from experience what that feels like...
just to have that feeling you get the day after
it's like defragging your hard drive...
the next day everything's in order and seems to go smoother
...
but like i said in other posts, it's goin on 3 years since i've seen it... i'm following a lead right now, but i've learned not to get my hopes up after such a long dry period
where are you people finding it?
i'm so jealous
i'd pack up and move somewhere if i knew there was a constant supply :P
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1934048 - 09/20/03 08:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

whats with those 4th and 3rd densities


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1935093 - 09/20/03 06:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"will you qoute scriptue and yet deny other scripture?"
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heh, folks have been doing that for 2000 years (at least!)
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1935220 - 09/20/03 07:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Frankly, I have no idea of what you are talking about. Please someone out there explain enter's response to me.  Your Scriptural quote is not contradictory to anything I've said, but I suppose enter, that I'm playing '3 dimensional chess' and you're playing the standard, single level board. (I could have used a card-playing analogy and insinuated that you were not playing with a full deck, but that would be mean).  :smirk:

Secondly, just because YOU do not understand what I'm saying, does not mean that I am "twisting" anything to fit my own idiosyncratic theology. It is YOU that has an idiosyncratic way about yourself which prevents an expansion of your learning. I am writing pure orthodox theology that cuts across Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox lines. YOU are the one who needs to come up to speed on this because you have some subjective understanding of the Scripture you quoted. That quote in no way contradicts Christian theology among the more sophisticated ecumenical people who can find salvific value in one another's faiths, without relinquishing their own faiths. "He who is not against us, is for us" sayeth the Lord. If you maintain that all Jews and Muslims, just because they remain Jews and Muslims and don't abandon the faith of their father's to become Christians, are NOT SAVED, or ARE GOING TO HELL - then you are a bigot of the worst kind, and I for one would shake the dust from my feet while leaving your presence forever. If you have yet to grasp that God has revealed Himself in various and sundry times to different peoples, or that Allah-Abwoon-Abba-Adonai are ONE and the same GOD, then I pity you beyond any ignorant atheist. If that is the case, then you whole so-called spiritual trip is a sham and a mere exercise in intellectual masochism.

When John wrote his scathing epithets against certain Jews (for example), it was very particular to whom he was addressing, yet his writings have perpetrated some of the worst hatred and justification for hatred of Jews the world has ever seen. People generalize, they do not think critically, they do not understand the actual time-place-bound meaning of these writings and interpret them in ways that were not intended by the author. So tell me again about "twisting" Scripture, while you attempt to use a piece of Pauline literature to prove a pointless point. The point is that YOU don't get it. If you got it, and WERE it, people would greet you like the rising sun, not like the responses you often receive here. Being Holy, being 'set apart' is not the same as being asocial, or avoidant, or ARROGANT while secretly believing that one is actually egoless. Ask yourself: 'Do these Shroomerites not want to know the Truth, what is Really Ultimately Real, or do they just not want to hear MY version of it?' Go ahead...ask it...make my day. 


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1935410 - 09/20/03 09:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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it feels like it died away too, like i burned out at a young age very sad feeling.




was it sort of like your life had peaked way too early and now it had all wound down and ended and all that was left was to wait everything out?

thats how it felt for me for a while
made me pretty depressed
maybe you should get some woodrose seeds...they kinda helped me with that ...although not nearly as much as acid but still more than mushrooms


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1935853 - 09/21/03 12:51 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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mindcandy said:
it feels like it died away too, like i burned out at a young age very sad feeling.




was it sort of like your life had peaked way too early and now it had all wound down and ended and all that was left was to wait everything out?

thats how it felt for me for a while
made me pretty depressed
maybe you should get some woodrose seeds...they kinda helped me with that ...although not nearly as much as acid but still more than mushrooms




Yea kinda but i have never felt that all had ended only my learning in this journey, creativity flows outta my mind like crazy period is gone. like i have no fuel to light my fire hehe. like the way i use to look at trees and experience pure extacy. thats cuz my first trip i stared at huge tree the whole time it was so buetiful.but yea i know it will come back.i also feel like im about to visited by a period of intense energy learning and creativity fueled by lsd.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1936411 - 09/21/03 05:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah... you could study indian techniques, but you'd prolly be better off goin' to church and having 30 people pray and lay hands upon you in the name of love to give you a cleansing experience... but you have to be open to the experience to allow the energy to move... and get yourself a garden or do some type of manual labor... staying peaceful in poor conditions is key... it grounds and connects spirit to form.. you'll end up with a different kind of posture too. Intend to be a blessing and move forth with that mind. We are all constantly communicating with each through sub conscious body language... Jesus or Love as a focus makes us more aware of what is goin' on.... like a new kinda mental word association that is self defining. In the end we're understanding... all space in every instance is attempting to make one conscious of this.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: buckwheat]
    #1936477 - 09/21/03 06:34 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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like i have no fuel to light my fire hehe. like the way i use to look at trees and experience pure extacy. thats cuz my first trip i stared at huge tree the whole time it was so buetiful




I know exactly what you mean about the letdown effect.
After you've had a glimpse of eternity it's hard to settle for second best.

One thing you must do it to integrate the insights you gained into your everyday reality. This takes time. And that is why I don't trip very often. If you eat a big meal you need time to digest it.



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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Tasty_Smurf_House]
    #1936536 - 09/21/03 07:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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whats with those 4th and 3rd densities




Try this thread for a primer - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...&PHPSESSID=

You know what you need best man. If you feel like you need to take a trip... take a trip! Open yourself to the universe and let the universe become to you. Remain peaceful and receptive


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1936582 - 09/21/03 07:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't like being accused of distorting Truth to fit my egocentric conception of it. YOU are projecting that stuff onto me. Pride? Uh uh.
"Gates of the ego"? Please. Ego is simply one's perspective, one's point of view. "Heart piercing ego death" !!! Did I miss something of a major trip today? When I made a mistake on another post and gnrm23 corrected me, I admitted my error immediately and conceded that he was correct. Now, if you want to believe that GOD anthropomorphized, spoke through you as his prophet, that is your business. If you want to live according to the dictates of your religious experience, that again is your prerogative as long as you understand that subjective religious experiences have no authority over anyone else's religious life. I don't even expect people to believe that I've experienced mystical Union with GOD. You don't have to be convinced of my experiences, and what is important is that such experiences aid me in living my life according to a standard that is described in the objective world in the form of Scriptures. If the particularities of one's religion do not teach universality, but exclusivity, and if exclusivity means condemnation of those who are excluded, then either the religion is a bad one, or someone doesn't understand that the universal Truth is found in certain particularites of human experience.

As for wrestling with religious matters, I think that this statement applies far more to you at this time of your life than it does for me at this point of my life. I have integrated a whole lot more unconscious elements into my personality given my age: sexuality, evil and concommitant suffering, anger and concommitant violence, individuation from the parents, choice of which religious mythos is central, and which are peripheral. Holiness is judged by GOD, and has little or nothing to do with what verbal-mental creed one proclaims. This is just Head knowledge and Throat utterance. The Heart is the inner altar, and it is completely clear to me that a Holy person in a Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Taoist or other faith is more righteous before GOD than a non-holy Christian in name only. Moreover, a truly Holy Christian is NOT superior to a truly Holy person in any other tradition, because true Holiness issues from the same GOD. This attitude will stand up to any argument against it that goes by the name of "correction," because the word "correction" in this case is a lie. It may be an unintentional lie, or an unconscious lie that is spoken with 'good intentions,' but a lie nevertheless. So do not wonder at an inflammatory reaction, since I draw the line against religious intolerance. I find it harder to bear than all other kinds of intolerance because it is rooted in metaphysics, which is prior to anything in our physical life.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1936696 - 09/21/03 08:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

So what techniques do you guys use to stay humbl...whoops off topic!! I'm really sorry...
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: DasKomet]
    #1937288 - 09/21/03 02:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah... you could study indian techniques, but you'd prolly be better off goin' to church and having 30 people pray and lay hands upon you in the name of love to give you a cleansing experience... but you have to be open to the experience to allow the energy to move...




The thought of thirty people in a church laying hands on me is more of a scary experience to me.. It would definitely be hard for me to remain open to that experience.. it makes me think of meeting a clown in a dark alley at night and having him start hysterically laughing... :grin:

Thank god I have my inner strengh, and don't need the laying on of hands..
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1937680 - 09/21/03 08:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You're back to the same obsessive thought. One more time: GOD and man ARE NOT THE SAME BEING. That is called Monism, not Monotheism.
GOD and man CAN BE IN UNION. There is still diversity in Unity. Man and woman can be in Union - Tantric Sexual Union - Holy Matrimony (which derives from One Mother, like the Divine Feminine principle in Tantrism) - and they are still distinct, but the distinction and the Union co-exist, not nullify each other.

BTW, GOD is not 'a being' like we are, GOD is BEING Itself, ABSOLUTE BEING, or the GROUND OF BEING whence all contingent being such as ourselves derive our beinghood - our existence. GOD is not considered to be 'a person' either, which is the logical corollary of not being 'a being.' If, in our human pretentiousness we theologize and pontificate about the nature of GOD, which really is ridiculous - then GOD is at least Personal in 'His' Nature, but to affirm anything at all about what GOD is such as "Light" or "Love" or "Mercy" (Islam has 'the 99 Names'), then we are NOT talking about the GODHEAD which is a term for GOD as 'He' is known ONLY to 'Himself.' NOTHING can be said about the GODHEAD. This is the difference between Cataphatic and Apophatic mysticism - positing attibutes (like Personhood) and the Via Negativa - the Negative Way. The Hindu says "Neti, Neti," which means 'not that, not that."

Man can be in COMMUNION (which was your stated experience) and in Union (which is mysticism proper wherein one's own identity vanishes [one's memory-formed ego], and one's Colorless Awareness, Thoughtless Consciousness, Witness, Spirit, etc. is filled ONLY with GOD's "Uncreated Energies." This term might be unknown to you, but I have lived with Orthodox theology for a long time. The Greek, Russian and Romanian Orthodox Churches may have almost as many adherents as the billion-person Catholic Church.

"...Eastern Christian theology has developed the distinction between the Divine Essence and God's uncreated energies as a means of explaining how God's being is unknowable by man and yet God does communicate Himself to man in a new knowing and a new participation through His energies. The energies are God's mode of existing in relationship to His created world, especially to man. Such a distinction is not often made use of in Western Christianity where God also is believed to be absolute and essentially unknowable. Nevertheless, He does relate Himself to the created order and so is knowable."

There are numerous Biblical references to back up this doctrine. The Essence of the Godhead never manifests in man, but rather the energies (also called virtues, or attributes by some theologians in the tradition). The Taboric Light, as described Biblically about Moses, Jesus and Elijah, is an experience that is sought and realized by Christians in Eastern Orthodoxy.

"The aim of man is union with God...The end of human lives is to attain 'mystical knowledge,' the summit of God's sharing Himself with us.... How can God share His being with man in such a way that man really participates in God's divinity without at the same time becoming God? This is the mystery of theosis, the divinization process of grace whereby the Christian is brought into a loving union with God through the divine energies, and still God retains His complete superessential [utterly Transcendent] being." (Bold & Brackets mine. All quotes from 'The Theology of Uncreated Energies' by George A. Maloney, S.J.)

It may well be that you and I are differing in that you adhere to a Protestant theology that makes no distinctions or allowances for certain types of religious experience. I subscribe to Orthodox Christian thought which does. This argument gives credibility to those who argue that religious experience is always shaped by one's expectations in what is possible, by one's beliefs essentially. I met George Maloney, a Jesuit who specializes in Patristic (Orthodox) theology. He freaked a bunch of old church women when he described his own LSD-mystical experience. So I think we should drop this dialogue at this time. My attitude is that if one's theology doesn't support the possibility of experiences that are genuine and life-enhancing - then change theologies. A so-called Christian fundamentalism that relegates my experiences to the devil's deceptions, for example, is not going to convince me that my whole life has been a lie for the last 30 years.

I'll end this long-winded debate with the words of C.G. Jung and intend them to finalize the Self-GOD division that's got you all bent. These words just 'appeared' to me in Borders yesterday:
"The difference between most people and myself is that for me, the 'dividing walls' are transparent. That is my peculiarity." (Page 355, MDR). Shalom.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1937687 - 09/21/03 08:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Oh well at least I tried.

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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: Jellric]
    #1937700 - 09/21/03 08:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Funny. Do you suppose that humility is synonymous with timidity or passivity? One doesn't have to go about quiet as a church mouse in order to remain humble. Was Jesus humble? Was Jesus humble when he went ballistic and threw over the money-changers' tables in the Temple? Humility is the opposite of pretentiousness - even when it is loud and outspoken. It is completely pretentious for humans to say what GOD is and what GOD is not. Whenever we do say these things, we only speak about GOD in His relation to us monkeys, not about what GOD is in Himself which is unknowable. So arguing against pretentiousness is an act of humility, even if it doesn't appear in the guise of self-effacing meekness. Peace.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1937780 - 09/21/03 08:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No, I don't think humility is synonymous with passivity or timidity. And I don't want to leave the impression that I think your knowledge is a bad thing when it's needed. We should all be so educated.

Anyway thanks for your reply.
Very nice and very concise.  :smile: 


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    #1937789 - 09/21/03 09:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1937826 - 09/21/03 09:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1937834 - 09/21/03 09:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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...then we are NOT talking about the GODHEAD which is a term for GOD as 'He' is known ONLY to 'Himself. NOTHING can be said about the GODHEAD.




I suscribe to the belief (infinity more than likely) that every division within my body is also filled with just as many divisions, so on and so forth into infinity, and that I am also just a division in an existance that goes up, as well... that there are universes composing me and that those universes are composed of universes... and that the universe as we know it is just one small division in an even bigger structure..

I really don't believe that, in some universe inside me, if there are intelligent beings there, that they would ever be capable of understanding me, as I am only known to myself, just as I would never be able to understand the structure that I am a part of...

I guess chaos theory and fractals deal a lot with this..

Alas, a lot of my thoughts and beliefs I came about myself or through other mediums, so I don't have the terminology and all the peers that have started out at the same knowledge level through this structured belief, as you have.. I almost wish I had, actually, but I am sort of glad that I haven't.. there are benefits and disadvantages of having a structured belief and thought system, I guess..

But anyway, thanks for your words, man! :grin: I need to go and check if I have rated you your five shrooms yet...
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    #1938058 - 09/21/03 11:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Look at a diagram of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life superimposed over the image of a human body, or a detailed diagram of the Hindu or Buddhist chakra systems. All of these systems say what you're saying, so it would be helpful to you if you got some of their lingo down. The Kabbalistic spheres or the chakras are 'portals' through which specific kinds of Consciousness emerge into the 'human universe' which is the Microcosm, from the wider universe which is the Macrocosm. These 'energies' or 'levels of Consciousness' overlap in us, forming our bodies, souls and spirits.




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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1938078 - 09/21/03 11:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting picture..

It is funny that you should mention the chakras and "levels of consciousness", because I was just studying links from Shroomism on chakras, and noticed the attributes that each of the seven chakras is said to have, and instantly noticed the connection between that and the book I revere, Handbook to Higher Consciousness (by Ken Keyes Jr), and I have been forming ideas on that for a post..

The first link that Shroomism gave in that chakra thread was by far the best one, and it identified the first chakra with security and survival, the second one with sensation, the third one with power, the fourth one love and compassion...

Handbook to Higher Consciousness describes seven levels of consciousness, and they go in the same order, each concerned with the same things, although the book focused on reprogramming your mind to work our way up the consciousness levels.. I am sure a lot of his sources come from the chakras and so forth...

The thing is, though, is that I become aware of some information, and then I start to understand the concept and how it connects with say this piece of information and these thoughts, and the picture, my perspective, I guess, gets a little bit broader in scope, and then I have all these different groups of information, and then the connections between THEM start to become apparent...

I think the only way that I have kept my sanity is that this has always been a gradual process, I barely trip and haven't learned too much at any given time.. I always look at a way to utilize the information in my life and actually push growth of myself... Nowadays my head is quite clear, and it is quite clear a lot more often than it ever has been..

I just don't know whether or not to attribute it to having full function over all my operations, as I am bascially an adult now, or that and this evoultion thing.. heh.

Anyways, I am interested in your beliefs and all of that.. any recommendations for someone who doesn't want to take on a belief structure as his own, but rather utilize the thoughts as part of of his own discoveries? I always try to take on the essence of the experience while trying it out (don't know if that makes sense... but I guess temporarily conducting myself as if that was my thing, if you know what I mean)...
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1939946 - 09/22/03 02:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

My "beliefs" as you put it are a result of having read the world religion's scriptures, plus my own immediate experiences plus the effort to conduct some of the disciplines of those religions. I saw the virtues in celibacy/monogamy, in solitude, in silence, in finding GOD in one's Sacred Heart. Many of the commonalities of the religions entered into my belief, but long ago I Decided that the Mysteries that remained in subtle or mythological spheres of Reality took manifestation - 'in the flesh' - in Christianity. For me, Christianity is not separate from its Jewish origin, perhaps because I'm a Jewish Christian. Jesus the Christ is the Metatron of the Kabbala for me, as well as the Light found in the Scriptures of the other faiths regardless of what they call That Light. I wish to be conformed to the inner image of Christ, because that image is Eternal, and Eternal Life depends upon our union and identity with the Light of Christ. One cannot 'test' this as a 'system,' one must enter fully into It, and allow It to enter fully into you, if you are to be transformed by it. It's the Way, the Tao, the Dharma on a universal level, but it is Jesus as the universal IN the particular. Without Deciding on ONE particularity and committing to a relationship, nothing important happens. In the human sphere, without a deep relationship with another, one cannot Individuate (in a Jungian sense) either. So, one continues to flirt, to dabble, but without committment to ONE there will be no transformation. Digging a bunch of shallow holes is not going to lead one to [living] water at the depths. Peace.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1939952 - 09/22/03 02:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"egoless people have very strong personailites"
(from BE HERE NOW)
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per gnrmi chastising with the rod of correction :wink:
"i'm always right and i never lie, so vote for me, george leroy tirebiter, for people's commissioner!"
(from a political ad heard on a radio tuned to a parallel reality, courtesy firesign theater: "don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers"
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hmmm, "massive LSD trip"... is that 150 ug or is that 1500 ug :wink: ???


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1941154 - 09/22/03 11:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i dont know yet... i havent really had acid before cuz the shit i got before was bunk so..... im thinking maybe 2 or 3 hits but im not sure. whats a good dosage for a really good trip?


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1941166 - 09/22/03 11:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"...You must be WAY out there Pastor!"
"I'm high all right *[crackle]*...but not on false drugs. I'm high on the real thing - powerful gasoline, a clean windshield and a shoe shine. Over..."


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1941397 - 09/23/03 12:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Digging a bunch of shallow holes is not going to lead one to [living] water at the depths. Peace.   




What about many holes dug right next to each other that each reach almost as deep? :grin:

By the way, I am not referring to your actual beliefs, I am referring to how they are structured and are identified and so forth, not the actual experiences or anything.. you say Light of Christ, I say acknowledging the fine energy that runs through everything.. you know what I mean?

What I am saying is that I think a lot of the same beliefs are held between us, just that mine came from only personal experience and some references, that there isn't some system to help accelerate learning... I am the Observer outside of the systems figuring things out on his own, while you are more of the guy who had the knowledge all presented to you and had an easier means of communication when you experienced these things..
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1941834 - 09/23/03 02:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I used to fancy myself as the philosopher of religion, sitting on the hub of a wheel whose spokes were each a different religion, and I surveyed all of them, borrowing at my whim. All that position did was to expand my ego and fill it with all manner of knowledge.

The only way for theosis to occur, is for one's ego to diminish, not inflate, and to recognize both outwardly and historically, and inwardly and psychospiritually, Who one's Master is. The Light of which I speak may be referred to as 'Uncreated Energy,' but That Energy is not an impersonal 'beam' or a 'field effect.' It is GOD in His immanence - the Divine Presence that suffuses space-time, but that is separate from space-time. The Presence is Living, Aware, Compassionate and Creative in the sense that [S]He sustains the forms of creation in each moment, and prevents the universe from collapsing into non-existence. I am not talking about prana or chi or li or a vital or astral subtle-substance. I am talking about the metaphysical infra-structure of creation, which includes our human existence. I am talking about the Divine Intelligence or Logos, Whose Ideas manifest as creation.

Now...it is our acknowledgement of this Presence in prayer, in professing the Reality of this Presence that sets up a field-effect in our lives. It is this acknowledgement, recognition, realization, experience or simple faith in the Presence that begins the life of the Spirit, which in turn begins to effect everything in our lives. This 'turning to' the Spirit 'constellates' all kinds of wonderful things around us on all planes of our existence: physical, psychic and spiritual. We seem to attract good folks, and repel bad folks. We may lose friends, spouses, relatives, but those beings will be replaced by more loving, kind, understanding ones. Animals, even wild ones, may draw closer in St. Francis fashion. One's needs and even desires may materialize for one: the perfect house and suddenly the availability of funds for a 20% down payment; a soul mate may appear - perhaps one that doesn't meet your preconceived image or notion, but another equally fine or better. When the inevitable losses of life occur: a car that has finally died to a loved one who has - a deep accepting calm remains constantly in the background of one's loss or grief - a calm that can be focused upon where it seems to be felt - in one's Heart Center. Coincidences - Meaningful Coincidences - called Synchronicities by Jung, but called miracles for a whole lot longer, become the Heavenly Manna. Life would not be truly worth living for me in their absence, it would just be
'same s**t, different day,' til I became depressed, addicted or suicidal. Daily miracles/synchronicities/answers to prayer keep me going - enthusiastically! (the root being enthusiazein: inspired and entheos: in God)
"Man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD," is how the Good Book puts it. Hope this answers your questions sufficiently - it's all here, hope you can hear it. Peace.


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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1943515 - 09/23/03 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I agree with you; I hear it. :grin:

I have been slowly working myself out of the first three levels of consciousness to the higher ones, which consist of exactly what you are describing. Especially the part about the Creator sustaining all forms of creation at every moment; we are all in the Creation and, at a higher level, there is no individuality or any subdivision, just pure energy and light..

For some time now I have been slowly bringing myself into a state of mind where I openly experience and enjoy everything that is going on in my life, but still keeping open a part of me that is not attached to any of this and is just observing everything....

Anyways, thanks for the words, man.
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Re: Is a massive LSD trip in order? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1958241 - 09/28/03 05:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

a massive dose of lithium might be in order for those who can go from neurotic, self-indingant fools, to ass-kissers in need of external approval, onto self-defensive know-it-alls, to phrophetic sages and back in the blink of an eye


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