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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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There's an idea from this book I'm reading called Affluenza, goes something like this:

People are spending more and more time every year purchasing, creating, replacing, and maintaining "STUFF" instead of dealing with other people and struggling to live a full life. Weren't the machines supposed to make life easier?


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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I can say without a doubt that I have powerful experiences all the time, experiences that some could easily mistake for direct proof of God, or other ideas, but afterwards, I wonder if it was really proof, or the feeling that I knew the ultimate truth. When I thought about it, I realized that other people, people like you, were having equally wild experiences directly contradicting my own.

I just don't understand how you think that your own experiences are more accurate than the experiences of others.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"If I base my theology on the opinions of everyone else around me, I am not being true to MY OWN experiences, if indeed I am having any type of relatively spiritually oriented experience. "

Why not investigate the experiences of others? I'm not saying to disregard your own experiences, just to interpret them using data from the outside world, and not just believing what you want to believe.

How could your own experiences possibly be the most accurate when others are having equally powerful experiences? They've weighed out their options as well, and come to different conclusions. Is it that the Christians are the most intelligent of philosophers?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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That's just the thing Enter, I don't subscribe to beliefs.

Believing in one thing is closing your mind to the other possibilities. I don't doubt that you are fully aware of other beliefs, I never said I did.

I want to know what makes you think that your experiences are more accurate than the experiences of others. Since you've done a lot of research, surely you're aware that others are having experiences just as powerful as yours, so why is it that you believe your experiences accurately portray the nature of the universe, while those of others do not?

I've asked this question three times now, and each time you've answered a completely different one.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"You have not yet even stated any beliefs where Jesus Christ is concerned with the exception of condescending remarks."

I don't have any solid beliefs about Jesus Christ. I have some theories, but it would be foolish to claim they were accurate without being able to travel back in time and check them out.

I have a friend named Tom. He believes in Kaballah, and he spends much of his time wandering around chatting with people about it. He hitchhikes around Canada, and meets people. He practices reiki as well. He believes he is able to heal people with his mind. He's one of the kindest, most generous, and most compassionate people I've ever met.

I suspect Jesus was not unlike my friend Tom. Jesus gained enough followers, John was good at marketing, and preserving his name, and the whole thing took off. Immaculate conception and resurrection really make for a great story, but I have my doubts that's what happened.

I'm sure this isn't exactly what happened, for all I know there never was anyone named Jesus, hell, maybe he's even our Lord and savior. But how can anyone really know?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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I've yet to see how faith is any different from lying to oneself.

Experience is indeed something to take into consideration, but I think that experience is the least accurate source of information as the mind tends to fabricate experiences. Emotions and feelings may be nothing more than a chance mix of memories and brain chemistry. Eat too many chilis, meet the girl of your dreams, and attend a church service and then you mind has enough bizarreness going on in it that you just might find Jesus, but if you'd gone to a Rainbow gathering instead of the church service, you might find the great spirit. I think it's a little bit dangerous to trust the strange things our brains tell us.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: Phluck]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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I'm instinctively trusting my brain. I don't even think I really have an option, I had been trusting my brain like this for years before I even considered that perhaps everything it gave me was accurate.

Sure, with every step I take, there's a risk I'm going to fall through the floor, but based on scientific observation, I'm willing to take those risks. But intellectually, I realize it's quite possible that my entire universe is an illusion.

My brain is really just responding to what satisfies its different cravings.


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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"Wouldn't you agree that machines can be good, but to be dependent on them is to have a very evident weakness?"

well I don't think this is really the main problem, although I agree with you on this..

We're already ALL dependant on at least one machine, which is our body! What a pain in the ass it is maintaining this piece of crap :-P

And now we have cars and computers and all this other "stuff" to take care of and clean and make sure its working properly and in its correct spot and make sure its safe and shiny and so on and so on..

I think machines would be helping us much more if we hadn't gotten so into MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY

soon we'll need machines just to keep track of our other machines and all of our "stuff." Imagine how much THEY'LL cost..


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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I'm not sure if you've ever had an experience in life that what basically ineffable (you were unable to really talk about it). You can kind of talk about it but it's not making any sense to anyone else. That's the type of testimony that I have. I believe in Jesus Christ based on the Holy Spirit pointing my attention to Him. I believe in Jesus Christ because His Holy Spirit has literally revealed Himself to me.

You see my dilemna??? Look at the language I have to use. It probably sound like one of those old stories that seem totally fictional and out of touch with reality. Yet that is more or less the story behind my belief (summarized so that I didn't write a book).


i have grown up basically agnostic, always questioning and skeptical of everything. when i was at the lowest point in my life so far and lost faith in everything, jesus appeared to me in the form of a hallucination (had been smoking weed). eventho it was unlike any picture i recall seeing of him and was basically around christmas, i took it for what it was - it calmed me and gave me faith again. i could even question that maybe my brain was trying to cope, but it still does not take away my thankfulness of the situatuion and also does not necessarily make me turn to jesus.

when i was at the highest point of my life so far (completely sober), i did fully experience truth, god, kundalini rising, 3rd eye opening, nirvana, etc... i empathize with you, no language can safely describe my experience. but i can very well relate to anyone who has experience this kind of enlightenment, using their language. i am confident that there is a description for it in most set of beliefs. the way that i was brought up, i have always had less knowledge than experiences. the more i looked into things, i did get a bit discouraged - i wanted to write the experience with my own personal words but that would prolly mean i need to invent a new language. 'does this mean i need to attach myself to some established set of beliefs (which is basically someone elses version), in order for it to be credible?' i also think that doing that will limit me. there are so many labels, why pick one? one very important thing i took from that experience was to embrace everything.


What do you believe in regard to the Creator of All Things? Or what don't you believe?

i do believe we come from the One, separated, to learn lessons in order to return back to the One. i believe in reincarnation and karma, just becuz it makes sense and makes my life able to flow. but as far as specifics and how did it all start, i can only speculate. i dont want to know the answers, i believe the fun is in the chase.


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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: TrippeeChik]
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Re: How are America's Children Experiencing the World? [Re: World Spirit]
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i actually made a post about it in OTD when it happened (I saw Jesus). well its not long and detailed but there seems to be something about jesus on the back of pick up trucks. haha. this was a post from a month prior to that: something that made you smile today.

basically thats what happened. the truck had a single vertical wooden post and jesus looked very withered compared to pics i have seen.


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