zappaisgod said:

I do too.  Do you think it's OK to break any law you want?

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EntheogenicPeace said:

First to get it out of the way, ues, Obummer has been continuing violent policies bith overseas and abroad that most social conservatives loved under Bush (and still do love, they just don't comprehend that Obummer is continuing then and even intensifying some of them). Being a corporate militarist and not a leftist, this is not surprising.

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Given that black, hispanic, and natives are on avg poorer than whites, and tend to vote Democrat, i am not surprised that about 70% of recipients of stereotypical welfare benefits vote for Democrats (including of course the share of poor whites who do as well.

Romney's specific claim, though, about the 47%, is of course totally inaccurate. However, given that it wasn't a prepared remark and i'm sure he wouldn't use that 47% figure if allowed to redo the comment, maybe it doesn't matter.

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While Romney suggested that 47 percent of Americans are dependent on government aid of some sort, the number is actually slightly higher. Over 49 percent of Americans live in a household where somebody is dependent on federal assistance, according to federal statistics.

And the percentage of people who don't pay taxes is worse than Romney pegged at 47 percent. According to the Heritage Foundation, it's over 49 percent. This is from a report they just issued: "In 1962, the first year measured in the Index of Dependence on Government, the percentage of people who did not pay federal income taxes themselves and who were not claimed as dependents by someone who did pay federal income taxes stood at 23.7 percent; it fell to 12 percent by 1969 before beginning a ragged and ultimately steady increase. By 2000, the percentage was 34.1 percent; by 2009, it was 49.5 percent. In short, the country is now at a point where roughly one-half of 'taxpayers' do not pay federal income taxes, and where most of that same population receives generous federal benefits."

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The important point of the matter (that data you linked did show 54% of full time workers voting Democrat, so it's not as if it was Dems heavy on the "moocher" side and GOPers heavy on the "productive members of society" side) on my statment and your response is the at the state level, which is still a benefit for those on the receiving end of federal redistribution, both in terms of infrastructure, education, military spending, farm bill etc as well as the stereotypical welfare programs. Even in the latter case and even if going 100% to Dem voters instead of 70% is still a boost to the local economies.

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Also of note is that the latter category do not comprise a large % of the federal budget. Non welfare recipients in blue states are worse off relative to non welfare recipients in red states in this matter. Given that this stereotypical welfare is again a rather small % ofof federal budget, combined with the other kinds of aforementioned federal spending, red state non welfare recipients may be better off with the current state of federal spending than with a libertarian economy.

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psilynut said:

Doesn't matter if it was edited or not . Damage is done. If that's the case then Romney could have said hey  that's not what I meant where's the rest of what I said . But he didn't . And now hes slipping in the polls ,fellow republicans are jumping ship, and we haven't even gotten to the debates yet. He better hope his Mormon god likes him more than his supporters cristian god hates  his goofy cult. But I imagian that's just what you get when you run a campaign based on negativity and hatred rather than  a record of  achievment. When you ignore fact checking , try to convince everyone your words just dont matter and create a fictional candidate for yourself to run against. Eventually everyone sees you for the loser you really are.

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When you ignore fact checking , try to convince everyone your words just dont matter and create a fictional candidate for yourself to run against. Eventually everyone sees you for the loser you really are.

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Question from woman in Peoria, Illinois: "So you’re all for like, 'yay, freedom,' and all this stuff. And 'yay, like pursuit of happiness.' You know what would make me happy? Free birth control."

Romney: "You know, let me tell you, no no, look, look let me tell you something. If you’re looking for free stuff you don’t have to pay for, vote for the other guy. That’s what he’s all about, okay? That’s not, that’s not what I’m about."

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Romney hasn't made it a secret

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I'm sure he paid what he had to pay.  Just like Warren Buffet and Barack Obama.  Otherwise the IRS would be on his ass.

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That's not being hypocritical.  It also doesn't seem appropriate to broadcast to the world that someone you love was on welfare.  I'm thinking that you probably would have left that out if you were talking about your parents, too.  He might also have left out the time his father puked at the kitchen table.

I don't think that one has to tell every single fact in every single speech.  That's inefficient and poor rhetoric.  You can call it dishonest if you want, but you do the same thing every day.  Otherwise, when someone asks you how you're doing, you'll say, "I have to take a shit, but I'm a bit bound up at the moment."

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You were saying something here about Mitt Romney's father, puke, shit, constipation and poor rhetoric?

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older people receiving benefits they paid into their whole working life renders this attempted linkage false.

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psilynut said:

Doesn't matter if it was edited or not . Damage is done. If that's the case then Romney could have said hey  that's not what I meant where's the rest of what I said . But he didn't . And now hes slipping in the polls ,fellow republicans are jumping ship, and we haven't even gotten to the debates yet. He better hope his Mormon god likes him more than his supporters cristian god hates  his goofy cult. But I imagian that's just what you get when you run a campaign based on negativity and hatred rather than  a record of  achievment. When you ignore fact checking , try to convince everyone your words just dont matter and create a fictional candidate for yourself to run against. Eventually everyone sees you for the loser you really are.

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He who does not work, neither shall he eat -John Smith

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Let them starve

Also, lets call this gold slipper stuff what it is, hearsay.  But of course hearsay = fact when referring to a Republican or Conservative.