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The only difference between them is what they want to spend on.

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EntheogenicPeace said:

For the nth time, you never have provided those statistics, neither in other threads nor in the previous post. I'm guessing that it's around 50-50, not more than 60-40 one way or the other... if so, then I don't anticipate that you ever will provide a source.

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Hardly surprising, we see that in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.

It appears that once more common sense is right and the impression left by the New York Times wrong. Indeed, people who live off the government disproportionally support Democrats.

Given that Krugman is aware of the Gellman-Paradox, he should have reported the individual level data first instead of wasting everyone’s time with state-level aggregation that we already know is wrong.

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No. I said total military expenditures, which are greater than either SS or Medicare. Just because bureaucrats like to position them in several different places in the budget is irrelevant (e.g. supplemental funding for wars, VA & college tuition, nuclear arsenal w/DoE, CIA drone operations, financing the debt incurred from previous unfunded military spending).

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Defense and international security assistance: In 2011, 20 percent of the budget, or $718 billion, paid for defense and security-related international activities. The bulk of the spending in this category reflects the underlying costs of the Department of Defense and other security-related activities. The total also includes the cost of supporting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, funding for which totaled $159 billion in 2011.

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What's even more irrelevant is you bringing up those two programs given that Romney was referring to income taxes w/his 47% statement (the figures drop down to less than 20% for people not paying into those). Of course you want to shift away from that, though, because a) you know my first paragraph is most likely true and b) you know that my previous point about the breakdown of where income taxes go is also correct.

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P.S. To suggest that a demographic other than social conservatives favor the most aggressive (and by far the most costly) prohibition policies, while not providing any evidence, is characteristic of your stupid habit of thinking that every opinion you have is correct, w/o support to your claims, even when a mountain of data contradicts it.

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P.P.S. Again, do you have any evidence to support your claim that blue states are wealthier bc of a minority of GOPers in them while red states are poorer bc of the minority of Democrats in them.

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EntheogenicPeace said:

To say, as Romney did, that 100% of that 47% will vote for Obummer is so beyond the pale of stupid words can't properly describe it.

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You're walking talking   No demographic has 100% turnout but of those 47% who will vote Romney is right, he won't get shit.

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  I'd love to see conservative welfare recipients (yes, federal spending on infrastructure and schools go, on the net, from wealthier and more populated blue states, to d.c., and then to poorer and less densely populated red states) substantiate the claim when they are in states that benefit from "socialism". Have you ever heard a single GOPer call for a law saying that over the course of years money paid in to d.c. by state has to equal money received,  within like a few pennies? Probably never will.

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imachavel said:

No shit Sherlock. Look at all the republican states right now. Look at how they are doing. Their unemployment is just as bad as democrat controlled states. Look at thinly populated states like Idaho and Wyoming, full of agriculture and mining. Theyre facing more lay offs then ever

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In 2010, influenced by the Tea Party and its focus on fiscal issues, 17 states elected Republican governors. And, according to an Examiner.com analysis, every one of those states saw a drop in their unemployment rates since January of 2011. Furthermore, the average drop in the unemployment rate in these states was 1.35%, compared to the national decline of .9%, which means, according to the analysis, that the job market in these Republican states is improving 50% faster than the national rate.

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Enlil said:

I'm not convinced we should have an FBI like we do now, either.  I don't see the point of having as many federal criminal statutes anyway.

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zappaisgod said:

Really?  Perfectly in the same the spot?  A little clandestine camera?

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It is illegal to make an audio recording of people in Florida without their permission.

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zappaisgod said:

Really?  Perfectly in the same the spot?  A little clandestine camera?

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Again, all that is involved with turning a camera on or off is lightly touching a little button.  Or flipping a little switch.  Not something that requires the camera to move at all.

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It is illegal to make an audio recording of people in Florida without their permission.

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