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You May Already Be An Anarchist.
    #922913 - 10/01/02 02:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's true. If your idea of healthy human relations is a dinner with
friends, where everyone enjoys everyone else's company, responsibilities are
divided up voluntarily and informally, and no one gives orders or sells anything,
then you are an anarchist, plain and simple. The only question that remains is
how you can arrange for more of your interactions to resemble this model.

Whenever you act without waiting for instructions or official permission,
you are an anarchist. Any time you bypass a ridiculous regulation when no one's
looking, you are an anarchist. If you don't trust the government, the school
system, Hollywood, or the management to know better than you when it comes to
things that affect your life, that's anarchism too. And you are especially an
anarchist when you come up with your own ideas and initiatives and solutions.

As you can see, it's anarchism that keeps things working and life
interesting. If we waited for authorities and specialists and technicians to take
care of everything, we would not only be in a world of trouble, but dreadfully
bored -- and boring -- to boot. Today we live in that world of (dreadfully boring!)
trouble precisely to the extent that we abdicate responsibility and control.

Anarchism is naturally present in every healthy human being. It isn't
necessarily about throwing bombs or wearing black masks, though you may have
seen that on television (Do you believe everything you see on television? That's
not anarchist!). The root of anarchism is the simple impulse to do it yourself:
everything else follows from this...


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #923784 - 10/01/02 07:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well said! I've been gleaning a bit from this site lately: http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/0302homested.html
Others might find it as entertaining and useful as I do. soilandhealth.com


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #926536 - 10/02/02 09:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

an?ar?chy (nr-k)
n. pl. an?ar?chies
1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.



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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #927696 - 10/03/02 04:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am an anarchist. YAYAYAY!
/me goes nuts.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #929758 - 10/03/02 09:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

For the record, I would definately not want to be associated with most "anarchist" current groups, current or otherwise, no matter what your definition is.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944570 - 10/09/02 04:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i like this.

i also think that groups around the country and world take anarchism a bit too far.
it's a shame there is such a stigma to the word now, cause i'd call myself one otherwise.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944589 - 10/09/02 04:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The root of anarchism is the simple impulse to do it yourself:
everything else follows from this...


The root of Laissez-faire Capitalism is identical. The only difference is that Capitalists are realistic enough to recognize the existence of those who would interfere with your right to do it yourself -- hence the need for a constitutionally restricted government cast in the role of bodyguard rather than nanny/Santa Claus.

I could substitute the phrase "Laissez-faire Capitalist" for "anarchist" in the above screed and end up with a more accurate article.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944740 - 10/09/02 06:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I was in my english class falling asleep. There were two kids in the front row dressed in black doing the same. One of the kids had a shirt that said "Anarchy Rules" on the back.
Some jock in the back was bored so he threw his math book directly at the" Anarchist" kid's head.
The kid turned and said "what the fuck did you do that for?"
the jock replied: "Anarchy rules, man."

An example of how school actually taught me somethin :wink:


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944833 - 10/09/02 06:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anarchy is basically a lack of all order. All order is created from chaos (aka anarchy). Nobody could possibly be a true anarchist, until perhaps when you are dead, and your body is decaying, but that still leaves your soul, which still retains order. To say that you make decisions on your own, does not make you an anarchist, because you are telling yourself what to do. In order for true anarchy to exsist, you would have to exsist without movement, or thought, or activity. Even if you go beyong that, you are looking at things like atoms, which aren't really random at all, they are simply playing out a series of events based on physical and chemical laws. So technically, nothing that is made of matter is random, because all these chemical reactions are predetermined by the laws of nature. So no true anarchy or anarchists exsist, but on certain levels you could call them anarchists. The only exception to these rules is the idea of the soul, or our own ability to create free will, but this exsists completely on another non material plane. Of course this is all dependent on what you believe. This all follows my own personal beliefs. I believe that the spirit exsists in anti-matter, which is really the only exception to these laws of nature.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #944938 - 10/09/02 07:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hence the need for a constitutionally restricted government cast in the role of bodyguard rather than nanny/Santa Claus.

Instead of a government that acts as santa claus to rich corporations? Cracking down on welfare for the poor while corporate welfare sky-rockets.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Xlea321]
    #945324 - 10/09/02 10:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Instead of a government that acts as santa claus to rich corporations?

Exactly. This is why I have said repeatedly that the US is NOT a Capitalist country. Income redistribution is the antithesis of Capitalism, whether the recipients are corporations or individuals.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #945458 - 10/09/02 10:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am all for anarchy. Not chaos.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #945573 - 10/09/02 12:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is why I have said repeatedly that the US is NOT a Capitalist country.

So in other words you want guys like the chairmen of Enron to be allowed to do absolutely anything they want?

Is the situation in south east asia where corporations have a free hand with no government inteference the kind of thing you want over here? Children working 19 hour days, forcing down wages to starvation levels, murdering and brutalising union organisers, murdering campaigners for the environment and indigenous peoples like Ken Sarowiwa?

Is that really the world you want to leave to our children?


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #945637 - 10/09/02 12:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Chaos and anarchy are basically the same thing, a lack of order. Chaos isn't a negative thing at all, but simply the opposite of order, which can be very good or very bad..


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Xlea321]
    #945667 - 10/09/02 12:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So in other words you want guys like the chairmen of Enron to be allowed to do absolutely anything they want?

He was found guilty of fraud. He broke the law. There are laws against fraud in Capitalist societies -- Laissez-faire Capitalism is not synonymous with anarchy.

Is the situation in south east asia where corporations have a free hand with no government inteference the kind of thing you want over here? Children working 19 hour days, forcing down wages to starvation levels...

No one rounded up those children at the point of a gun and frogmarched them into the factories. The sad fact is that for them and their families, those shitty jobs are the best option available for keeping themselves alive. What do you think they were doing before those factories opened? What would they do if all the factory owners got tired of being criticized, and shut down the factories?

...murdering and brutalising union organisers, murdering campaigners for the environment and indigenous peoples...

Who are you accusing of murder; the owners of the factories? In a Laissez-faire Capitalist society, murder is against the law and murderers are punished. Why are these murderers in these Southeast Asian countries not being punished?

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Remy]
    #945963 - 10/09/02 02:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Chaos and anarchy are two different things. Anarchy is the lack of a government. Chaos is the lack of order.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #945975 - 10/09/02 02:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anarchy still needs some form of order to work. If anarchy were to fail it would then be chaos.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=75180&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=

Read that thread.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946058 - 10/09/02 03:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

...........The order of anarchy is the cooperation between people.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946163 - 10/09/02 03:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I prefer the term 'self government.' Anarchy has negative connotations. It would seem that the natural condition of man was initially anarchy. This then begs the question of how and why it ceased to be. Power abhors a vacuum, people seek to have power over their fellow human beings to be able to enjoy the benefits of productivity without actually having to work for it, and so governments are born. It is easier to conquer a productive people than to toil in the fields every day. In short, an anarchist society would be prey to whomever has the will and the power to take it over and milk it's members to benefit the new rulers.

I like the concept of anarchy as an ideal, but how to keep it is a vexing problem.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Evolving]
    #946172 - 10/09/02 03:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I like the concept of anarchy as an ideal, but how to keep it is a vexing problem.
I agree Evolving. Evolution as a species is mandatory before a revolution or anarchy could work.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946201 - 10/09/02 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know the exact text but hitler said somthing like "Heavly structured lifestyles, with every thing taught to you or told to you, reduces the need to think for yourself"


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946207 - 10/09/02 03:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think perhaps it can be worked towards. After all, America is more of an ideal than anything else no?


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: frogsheath]
    #946223 - 10/09/02 03:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

America is an ideal gone bad. Of course anarchism can be sought after.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946257 - 10/09/02 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That thread you posted (from guerillanews.com) illustrates the inherent contradiction in ALL the anarchist organizations out there: every one I've ever come across insists that anarchy says you have the right to do anything you want, except keep the stuff you produce. Without exception, every anarchist I've ever met says private property is not to be allowed. All property must be owned collectively, or it isn't really anarchy.

Apparently this is their way of getting around the necessity of "coercive hierarchical structures" such as police and courts -- if no one owns anything, there is nothing to steal, and therefore no possible way that robbery or fraud can exist. Am I the only one who finds this absurd?

WHY is it necessary to add that proviso -- private property is forbidden -- to what is essentially a very basic concept; an anarchist society is a society with no government? The answer is very simple; because to admit that private property is essential for individual survival (and it is) is to admit that agents with the delegated authority to prevent others from usurping your means of survival are necessary. Once you admit this fact (and it is a fact), the whole anarchist house of cards collapses.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #946298 - 10/09/02 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People need to understand the 'big picture' before even attempting anarchy. Evolution before revolution.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946332 - 10/09/02 04:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

.....I guess I should add that by the 'big picture,' I mean that bliss is available here and now on earth. It is up to us to make it work.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946343 - 10/09/02 04:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People need to understand the 'big picture' before even attempting anarchy. Evolution before revolution.

I believe anyone who has spent more than a few minutes thinking about the "big picture" will come to the conclusion that anarchy is not a realistic option for the species Homo sapiens, so it is undeniably true that "evolution before revolution" is a prerequisite.

Maybe a new species, Homo superior, will one day emerge and find themselves capable of surviving in an anarchistic society. We'll never know, will we?

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #946354 - 10/09/02 04:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That is why we shall evolve into the Homo superior. I agree with you in saying that anarchy is just a fantasy for Homo sapiens. :wink:


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #946460 - 10/09/02 05:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

That thread you posted (from guerillanews.com) illustrates the inherent contradiction in ALL the anarchist organizations out there: every one I've ever come across insists that anarchy says you have the right to do anything you want, except keep the stuff you produce.



Such organizations are not truly anarchists, for they are advocating a type of organization which takes from people who produce - in essence this is a type of government. Here are a couple links to anarchist sites which do not advocate taking from those who produce...

anti-state.com
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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946852 - 10/09/02 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

Anarchy still needs some form of order to work. If anarchy were to fail it would then be chaos.




Thats why I said anarchy only exsists on certain levels. If you are talking about government in terms of people, then anarchy is an interesting theory, but nevertheless impossible. When you call yourself an anarchist, you are saying you are without government, but in fact it is you who is governing yourself, therefore creating an oxymorononic statement. Now the "Anarchists" that exsist now, are not true anarchists by the definition of the word, because it is impossible for true Anarchy to exsist. However, "anarchists" use the principles of Anarchy, combined with many ideals of socialism, in order to organize their movement.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #947286 - 10/09/02 08:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He was found guilty of fraud. He broke the law.

The government is the only body capable of exerting some control on corporate behaviour. Without it - the kind of criminals who run Enron (believe me, the directors of Enron arn't unique) would have complete control. Does that sound like a good idea to you?

No one rounded up those children at the point of a gun and frogmarched them into the factories. The sad fact is that for them and their families, those shitty jobs are the best option available for keeping themselves alive.

Without government laws (that unions fought and died for) these conditions would be re-introduced for all of us. Once all government control was gone they could start paying americans 2 cents an hour. The reason you wern't working up a chimney when you were 7 years old isn't by the kindness of a corporate director. It was because brave men fought and died in the face of brutal oppression to give you that right. And don't you ever forget it.

the owners of the factories? In a Laissez-faire Capitalist society, murder is against the law and murderers are punished. Why are these murderers in these Southeast Asian countries not being punished?

You tell me. I imagine massive payments and backhanders to corrupt officials has something to do with it.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Remy]
    #953245 - 10/11/02 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats why I said anarchy only exsists on certain levels. If you are talking about government in terms of people, then anarchy is an interesting theory, but nevertheless impossible. When you call yourself an anarchist, you are saying you are without government, but in fact it is you who is governing yourself, therefore creating an oxymorononic statement.

Great point.  I recently read in a novel about a guy who lived outside of the government.  He had no official name, soc sec #, etc.  He didn't follow any laws he thought unnecessary and only followed his own code of honor.  Another character called him an anarchist.  His reply.
  "I like to think of myself as a sovereign state." 
  Genius.  :smile:  I would also like to be a sovereign state.   


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: postalboy]
    #956185 - 10/13/02 01:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

.....I guess I should add that by the 'big picture,' I mean that bliss is available here and now on earth. It is up to us to make it work.






Yes very true, many will sit around and think "well its all in gods hands". SHIT!!!!
Theyll think they are powerless to make things different. Thanks clubbshubb!

Alex321: Your say that people can't govern there selfs, that it requires that kinda goverment control? The worlds goverments work for corperations, that remark with "if there was no goverment that corperations would be makeing us work for like 2 cents and hour" Thats sooo wrong and warped i don't know where to begin.

In this day and age, the people have been reduced to a child like state and we require guidence and control from goverments, like our parents. Im not saying we need NO goverment, i say we need a SMALL goverment to work FOR THE PEOPLE. ill repeat FOR THE PEOPLE! Not for something else like corperations.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #956230 - 10/13/02 01:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if there was no goverment that corperations would be makeing us work for like 2 cents and hour

They're already doing it in south east asia, mexico and latin america etc. Without the same employment laws the unions got for western workers the corporations use workers as slaves. Just like they did in the west in the 1800's.

I'm not saying government is necessarily a good thing. But the only thing keeping the corporations off your ass right now is government employment laws. Without those our children would be working 21 hour days in Nike factories right now. The government can't (at the moment) see a way of removing those rights from us without causing public disorder.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Xlea321]
    #956457 - 10/13/02 04:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with Remy: anarchism exists on various levels. I interpret it as a way of life--and a healthy one considering how increasingly interdependent and singularly vulnerable technological society has become. The anarchistic way of life seeks autonomy, self-sufficiency, individualism, liberty and freedom.
As a social system it may be impractical now but in terms of evolution it seems like the logical next level for a society based on freedom. A "new world order" is right around the bend nonetheless. I don't think the average person (myself included) is quite ready for it (whatever the "order" is). Change has been accelerating at a higher rate than society can adapt to.


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    #956491 - 10/13/02 05:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just depends whether the world gets a second chance after capitalism. The world cant sustain capitalism for much longer - destroying the planet for short-term profit simply can't work on a planet the earths size with such limited resources.

The corporations will die eventually - it's just a question of how much of the planet is going to be left by then.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: frogsheath]
    #956677 - 10/13/02 10:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You all are making excellent points. Anarchy is a way of life. I have to say that anarchy does need some form of a 'government'; but I do not like calling it that. I don't think that some form of order should labeled as a government. Cooperation is mandatory for anything to work, especially a peaceful revolution\evolution. We can have a peaceful society without a government; but we cannot have one without cooperation. Look at the world today, there is not too much cooperation\understanding taking place. So if you like thinking of cooperation between beings as a government, then there will never be no government.

Cool thread, peace, Trev :grin:


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    #956679 - 10/13/02 10:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah......
Johnnyfive, we are the hands of god. :laugh:


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    #956940 - 10/13/02 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"I have to say that anarchy does need some form of a 'government'; but I do not like calling it that."

Then it's no longer anarchy. I think the guy who started this thread has it backwards, there aren't lots of people who are anarchists without realizing it, there are lots of people who call themselves anarchists who don't realize what anarchy is. They're living in a punk rock fantasy of anarchy, not realizing that true anarchy is impossible to maintain and extremely unpleasant. A film negative of communism.


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    #957183 - 10/13/02 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We all just have a different concept of what we think anarchy is. All i know is that it could be better.


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    #958001 - 10/13/02 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ya true i wanted to go off in the god is internal and not external thing, but too much to type, and i didn't want to stray the topic.


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    #959114 - 10/14/02 04:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The idea that anarchy=chaos was launched by those who wanted to discredit anarchist movement. We all know that a system without rules cannot work. Check this site: www.anarchy.org - it contains many articles about anarchy.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: zeronio]
    #959405 - 10/14/02 10:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"The idea that anarchy=chaos was launched by those who wanted to discredit anarchist movement."

Christ, no it wasn't!
That was the ORIGINAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

The idea that anarchy=chaos has been around way longer than the so-called "anarchist movement".

Look it up in a fucking dictionary.

Jesus.

Sure, the "anarchist movements" follow a political doctrine that does not fit this definition, but that doesn't mean that anarchy doesn't fit this definition.

Anarchy means lack of government, plain and simple.

Let's look at the greek origins of the word:

"an"- a negating prefix.
"archy"- from "archos", which means ruler

Lack of a ruler.

There you go.

The anarchist movements of today are sort of a socialist-liberalist movement. That's the real definition of liberalism, by the way, not the bastardized Rush Limbaugh version. Liberal as in libertarian.

If you think about it, libertarianism is closer to true anarchy than "anarchy" is.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phluck]
    #961878 - 10/15/02 12:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You're right!
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... the "anarchist movements" follow a political doctrine that does not fit this definition ...




That's what I really wanted to say.

The society without central government does not necessary mean that it is chaotic and has no rules. Ants are a good example. Every individual just follows simple rules and the entire society seems very effective and organized even if there is no government.
Anarchy is considered utopic because it relies on rules being followed by everybody without repression. From what I know that's not possible with human species.  :frown: 


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: zeronio]
    #962616 - 10/15/02 09:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Probably one of the best examples of anarchism in action was during the spanish civil war before the nazi's and communists attacked the anarchist areas.


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    #964997 - 10/16/02 01:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If I remember it right there was also a successful anarchist community in Ukraine after soviet revolution, but was destroyed by communists.

Declaring yourself as an anarchist (which equaled listening to punk music) was the worst thing to do under communist regime. In elementary school I was caught drawing the "A" sign on the board. Schoolmaster scared the shit out of me. I will never forget it!


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