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You May Already Be An Anarchist.
    #922913 - 10/01/02 04:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It's true. If your idea of healthy human relations is a dinner with
friends, where everyone enjoys everyone else's company, responsibilities are
divided up voluntarily and informally, and no one gives orders or sells anything,
then you are an anarchist, plain and simple. The only question that remains is
how you can arrange for more of your interactions to resemble this model.

Whenever you act without waiting for instructions or official permission,
you are an anarchist. Any time you bypass a ridiculous regulation when no one's
looking, you are an anarchist. If you don't trust the government, the school
system, Hollywood, or the management to know better than you when it comes to
things that affect your life, that's anarchism too. And you are especially an
anarchist when you come up with your own ideas and initiatives and solutions.

As you can see, it's anarchism that keeps things working and life
interesting. If we waited for authorities and specialists and technicians to take
care of everything, we would not only be in a world of trouble, but dreadfully
bored -- and boring -- to boot. Today we live in that world of (dreadfully boring!)
trouble precisely to the extent that we abdicate responsibility and control.

Anarchism is naturally present in every healthy human being. It isn't
necessarily about throwing bombs or wearing black masks, though you may have
seen that on television (Do you believe everything you see on television? That's
not anarchist!). The root of anarchism is the simple impulse to do it yourself:
everything else follows from this...


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #923784 - 10/01/02 09:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well said! I've been gleaning a bit from this site lately: http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0302hsted/0302homested.html
Others might find it as entertaining and useful as I do. soilandhealth.com


Edited by frogsheath (10/01/02 09:21 PM)


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #926536 - 10/02/02 11:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

an?ar?chy (nr-k)
n. pl. an?ar?chies
1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.



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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #927696 - 10/03/02 06:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I am an anarchist. YAYAYAY!
/me goes nuts.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #929758 - 10/03/02 11:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

For the record, I would definately not want to be associated with most "anarchist" current groups, current or otherwise, no matter what your definition is.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944570 - 10/09/02 06:26 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i like this.

i also think that groups around the country and world take anarchism a bit too far.
it's a shame there is such a stigma to the word now, cause i'd call myself one otherwise.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944589 - 10/09/02 06:40 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The root of anarchism is the simple impulse to do it yourself:
everything else follows from this...


The root of Laissez-faire Capitalism is identical. The only difference is that Capitalists are realistic enough to recognize the existence of those who would interfere with your right to do it yourself -- hence the need for a constitutionally restricted government cast in the role of bodyguard rather than nanny/Santa Claus.

I could substitute the phrase "Laissez-faire Capitalist" for "anarchist" in the above screed and end up with a more accurate article.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944740 - 10/09/02 08:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I was in my english class falling asleep. There were two kids in the front row dressed in black doing the same. One of the kids had a shirt that said "Anarchy Rules" on the back.
Some jock in the back was bored so he threw his math book directly at the" Anarchist" kid's head.
The kid turned and said "what the fuck did you do that for?"
the jock replied: "Anarchy rules, man."

An example of how school actually taught me somethin :wink:


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #944833 - 10/09/02 08:40 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Anarchy is basically a lack of all order. All order is created from chaos (aka anarchy). Nobody could possibly be a true anarchist, until perhaps when you are dead, and your body is decaying, but that still leaves your soul, which still retains order. To say that you make decisions on your own, does not make you an anarchist, because you are telling yourself what to do. In order for true anarchy to exsist, you would have to exsist without movement, or thought, or activity. Even if you go beyong that, you are looking at things like atoms, which aren't really random at all, they are simply playing out a series of events based on physical and chemical laws. So technically, nothing that is made of matter is random, because all these chemical reactions are predetermined by the laws of nature. So no true anarchy or anarchists exsist, but on certain levels you could call them anarchists. The only exception to these rules is the idea of the soul, or our own ability to create free will, but this exsists completely on another non material plane. Of course this is all dependent on what you believe. This all follows my own personal beliefs. I believe that the spirit exsists in anti-matter, which is really the only exception to these laws of nature.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #944938 - 10/09/02 09:43 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

hence the need for a constitutionally restricted government cast in the role of bodyguard rather than nanny/Santa Claus.

Instead of a government that acts as santa claus to rich corporations? Cracking down on welfare for the poor while corporate welfare sky-rockets.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Xlea321]
    #945324 - 10/09/02 12:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Instead of a government that acts as santa claus to rich corporations?

Exactly. This is why I have said repeatedly that the US is NOT a Capitalist country. Income redistribution is the antithesis of Capitalism, whether the recipients are corporations or individuals.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: FutureExPatriot]
    #945458 - 10/09/02 12:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I am all for anarchy. Not chaos.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Phred]
    #945573 - 10/09/02 02:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

This is why I have said repeatedly that the US is NOT a Capitalist country.

So in other words you want guys like the chairmen of Enron to be allowed to do absolutely anything they want?

Is the situation in south east asia where corporations have a free hand with no government inteference the kind of thing you want over here? Children working 19 hour days, forcing down wages to starvation levels, murdering and brutalising union organisers, murdering campaigners for the environment and indigenous peoples like Ken Sarowiwa?

Is that really the world you want to leave to our children?


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #945637 - 10/09/02 02:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Chaos and anarchy are basically the same thing, a lack of order. Chaos isn't a negative thing at all, but simply the opposite of order, which can be very good or very bad..


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Xlea321]
    #945667 - 10/09/02 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So in other words you want guys like the chairmen of Enron to be allowed to do absolutely anything they want?

He was found guilty of fraud. He broke the law. There are laws against fraud in Capitalist societies -- Laissez-faire Capitalism is not synonymous with anarchy.

Is the situation in south east asia where corporations have a free hand with no government inteference the kind of thing you want over here? Children working 19 hour days, forcing down wages to starvation levels...

No one rounded up those children at the point of a gun and frogmarched them into the factories. The sad fact is that for them and their families, those shitty jobs are the best option available for keeping themselves alive. What do you think they were doing before those factories opened? What would they do if all the factory owners got tired of being criticized, and shut down the factories?

...murdering and brutalising union organisers, murdering campaigners for the environment and indigenous peoples...

Who are you accusing of murder; the owners of the factories? In a Laissez-faire Capitalist society, murder is against the law and murderers are punished. Why are these murderers in these Southeast Asian countries not being punished?

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Remy]
    #945963 - 10/09/02 04:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Chaos and anarchy are two different things. Anarchy is the lack of a government. Chaos is the lack of order.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #945975 - 10/09/02 04:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Anarchy still needs some form of order to work. If anarchy were to fail it would then be chaos.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=75180&page=4&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=

Read that thread.

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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946058 - 10/09/02 05:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

...........The order of anarchy is the cooperation between people.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #946163 - 10/09/02 05:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I prefer the term 'self government.' Anarchy has negative connotations. It would seem that the natural condition of man was initially anarchy. This then begs the question of how and why it ceased to be. Power abhors a vacuum, people seek to have power over their fellow human beings to be able to enjoy the benefits of productivity without actually having to work for it, and so governments are born. It is easier to conquer a productive people than to toil in the fields every day. In short, an anarchist society would be prey to whomever has the will and the power to take it over and milk it's members to benefit the new rulers.

I like the concept of anarchy as an ideal, but how to keep it is a vexing problem.


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Re: You May Already Be An Anarchist. [Re: Evolving]
    #946172 - 10/09/02 05:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I like the concept of anarchy as an ideal, but how to keep it is a vexing problem.
I agree Evolving. Evolution as a species is mandatory before a revolution or anarchy could work.


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