lolwut said:

There's heaps of stuff to know, that is relevant within it's conceptual framework such as science. But most mysticism and such is bent towards "undoing" your knowing of the world. I think it's largely aiming to deprogram you from what society forced on you since a young age to see what's really there.

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circastes said:

...is a very satisfying state.

To want to know more is to presume to know there is more to know.

"You know that you know nothing." - Maharshi

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As intellectuals, what are we to make of this?

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A man asked the Maharshi to say something to him. When asked what he wanted to know, he said that he knew nothing and wanted to hear something from the Maharshi.

M.: You know that you know nothing. Find out that knowledge. That is liberation (mukti).

'You KNOW that you know nothing, find out that knowledge'

Its like saying know the Knower, as the one that can 'know' or 'not know' must preceed knowing or not knowing
Knowing/knowledge come after the existence of the knower, so he's saying to know that existence which preceeds objective/tangible knowledge
Know yourself (awareness/subject) that is prior to knowledge (of things/objects)
Know your existence prior to thoughts

Thats my intellectual making of it

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Especially if we are an intellectual aware of the power of imagination?

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Is it about losing and not gaining?

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lolwut said:

There's heaps of stuff to know, that is relevant within it's conceptual framework such as science. But most mysticism and such is bent towards "undoing" your knowing of the world. I think it's largely aiming to deprogram you from what society forced on you since a young age to see what's really there.

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lolwut said:

There's heaps of stuff to know, that is relevant within it's conceptual framework such as science. But most mysticism and such is bent towards "undoing" your knowing of the world. I think it's largely aiming to deprogram you from what society forced on you since a young age to see what's really there.

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The thing its though, mysticism never produced a jet ski, or an iphone; science did that.

The Chronic said:

we all do, just look at my post, waaay too complicated!

Just Be - simple, easy, and enough

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circastes said:

The Chronic said:

we all do, just look at my post, waaay too complicated!

Just Be - simple, easy, and enough

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A lack of friendliness and openness causes great confusion for me. I tend to shut off, due to thought processes distracting me. I think I'm going to find something by being passive and observing, but what I'm looking for is an act: the act of living out my personality. How is it possible to express oneself if one is not friendly? Plus, nothing makes sense in a sour mood. Why why why do I not learn is beyond me!

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circastes said:

The Chronic said:

we all do, just look at my post, waaay too complicated!

Just Be - simple, easy, and enough

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A lack of friendliness and openness causes great confusion for me. I tend to shut off, due to thought processes distracting me. I think I'm going to find something by being passive and observing, but what I'm looking for is an act: the act of living out my personality. How is it possible to express oneself if one is not friendly? Plus, nothing makes sense in a sour mood. Why why why do I not learn is beyond me!

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I've found it's good to be open and honest, but don't ever give away too much information that people you don't trust could use against you. It's good to be friendly for efficiency (you once said that ) but real friendships can never be forced. It's efficient because people will generally like you, even if they are just aquantencies (sp) and you will create no new karma, no new people disliking you.
People express themselves all kinds of ways besides friendliness, and I reject acting like them all - anger, distrust, aloofness, intimidating, manly, womanly, and so on. And honesty is good because it means you're also being true to yourself, which is incredibly important I've found. Most people I talk to, I can see when they're lying by the looks in their eyes and body language, like they are trying to lie to themselves to prop up their own ego.

circastes said:

...is a very satisfying state.

To want to know more is to presume to know there is more to know.

"You know that you know nothing." - Maharshi

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As intellectuals, what are we to make of this? Especially if we are an intellectual aware of the power of imagination?

Is it about losing and not gaining?

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usulpsychonaut said:

The more I identify as clueless, dellusional and incompetent, I dare not say.

Anything is believable, un-belief is belief, I am permanently at the mercy of one hypnosis or another. If the opposite is also true, how can there be lies?

Correlation and Irony leading to laughter and pleasant apathy.

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You know what I find sad?  That people such as yourself, that have actually come to use your mind in a semi- healthy-rational way, come also often to despair and suffering.