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what do u expect after death?
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is their something you people expect?
well if you are religious ... i know... like whether you goto heaven or hell.

but what about non believers? im just curious. because its hard to accept the fact that no one "knows" what happens after death. i'd like to hear what others have to say.

I am on a constant struggle between what happens after death if you were a Christian(heaven or hell) or whatever. *free minded people.

confusion is such a confusing thing :smile:


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: infidelGOD]
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good answer


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Sclorch]
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id say thats a pretty good answer. because people are always seeking for answers. thats why we have so many theorys. for people to have a kind of assurance. thats why so many people believe in the Bible and all. they would like to be assured*(spelling?)that their is something after this life.

I think that we(our minds now)cannot accept any form of answer. i think (thanks to swat for explainin this) that there is another level of our mind that will only know that answer.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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I just want to say that infidelGOD summed it up rather nicely.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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Um... here's my answer to that.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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i expect something i didn't expect... because i have no expectations...

you don't know until it happens, and even then you may not know.

Edited by Smack31 (06/09/03 10:41 PM)

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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What were you expecting upon your death from your mothers womb?


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AH HA....

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: DrubuShrume]
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Were you right?



Does it matter?


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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I won't expect anything because there's no way I can know for sure what will happen. I'll just let it happen and see what happens. Socrates made a point of not fearing death because it's only unknown, and he made sure to never fear the unknown.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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E=MC squared


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: CleverName]
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I expect to remember that I am god, everything and nothing, one and all.


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"this is life changing"

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: thestringphish]
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I expect what I experienced on mushrooms a couple weeks ago, because II had actually thought I had died, and gone through heaven. When I woke up the next morning, I heard birds chirping, and thought I was in heaven, or soemthing along those lines.

It took me a good 5 hours to figure out that I just had a crazy, crazy, CRAZY trip on an eighth of cubensies....it was way too real....

If you don't follow any relegions, or beleive in god etc (i cant see how anyone cannot beleive in him, especially trippers, there is a god) I think, you will turn into a ghost, and you will need to find him somehow, but that is just my crazy opinion.

You have a soul, and that never dies remember that...your soul cannot die, so everyone living on earth is prertty mcuh eternal. I dunno Im kdna drunk..just my opinion.

peace.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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I expect to be very suprised


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: MistaSmokupalot]
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I can understand why there are so many different hypotheses about what goes on after you die...

But I don't get why "you're just plain dead" seems to be, by far, the least widely held belief.
By just plain dead I mean the end of experience, cessation of thought, loss of self, erasure of memories, irreversable destruction of mind, body, and soul. Decay, dust, oblivion. Gone. No next level, no do-overs, just an eternity of non-being.

It's the simplest possibility, and only one that really makes sense in the absence of knowledge (or even the possibily of knowledge) of anything else.

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: MistaSmokupalot]
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I expect what I experienced on mushrooms a couple weeks ago, because II had actually thought I had died

How is a live brain on drugs even remotely like a decayed brain?


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Xibalba]
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I vote you for the coolest avatar. Design one for me please.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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I expect an apology...and rassurance that HE's working on fixin things...


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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maybe a complementary stay in Heavens Gates Hotel, till they fix up this mess :grin: then a voucher (redeamable till eternity) for another voyage
(done RIGHT this time DAMN IT !!)... 


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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Do you really expect life to be just a breeze and expect someone to fix it? Where is the challenge, this life is meant for learning; a spiritual development, how is that possible when everything is perfect?

I expect nothing after death, the act of expecting will just put you down in the end. You expect a event to go a certain way, and if it doesn't meet up to those expections you are brought down. I just constantly try to discover myself, i will throughout my life time, if in the end i find out nothing comes to me when i die, i will still not regret the amount of time i spent on such practices.



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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Cougheeman]
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Feel free to judge me my friend. Go ahead and cast the stones, preferably
large heafy ones.
It's so easy to stand by people in pain and tell them "Do you really expect life to be
just a breeze and expect someone to fix it?"
I'd recommend u go to the ER unit of your local hospital and find someone with
3rd degree burns and see if u can summon your heart to say these words
to him. You really don't know me or my life situation, but we are so quick to
size up people. The topic was "what do u expect after death" and I honestly
and truthful replied with a touch of levity. I made no personal remarks to anyone.
The topic was not "why does lucid (who we know little about) think his life
should be a breeze and someone should fix it for him". I hope this doesn't sound
too harsh, I mean no offense to u. But people are so quick to judge (and I'm
guilty of this too - but I try to keep in check).


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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is their (sic) something you people expect?

The question does not really make sense as there will be no "you" after death to expect anything.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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the question makes no sense *only* if u assume that there will be
no "you" after death. Otherwise it makes sense.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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There is no reason to assume facts not in evidence. Let's look at what "you" are:

Your physical body: height, weight, gender, eye color; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your physical talents: playing soccer, guitar, writing - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your physical preferences: chocolate, redheads, scary movies; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your relationships: lovers, family, friends; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your memories: first kiss, skiing at Taos, tripping at the Greatful Dead; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your dreams & desires: publish a book, win a noble prize; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.

What remains? Even if there is a soul left (for which there is zero evidence) it most certainly is not "you" as you define yourself today.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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if anybody wants some real answers on death, then go here http://www.near-death.com

read the fuckin NDE's.  what they say about god, is just like my shroom experiences of feeling one-ness. It makes sense to me, and the messages of love being the only thing that really matters rings true in my heart, i mean it really clicks up here *taps head*.  This site is definately full of truth, and just like everything else, is not quite perfect.

enjoy, if you allow yourself to :wink:

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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this is getting tricky, and could soon crumble into a meaningless argument.
I think it depends on what u consider "yourself" to be...
at some point the line of reasoning will crumble when words/labels no
longer satisfy one side of the party. I could say that I consider myself
to be "conciousness" and you could retort, well what exactly is conciousness...
along the same line, I could start arguing well what *exactly* is a memory
or desire etc and at some point arguing will become meaningless.
I think people are talking about a coherent and distinct sense of
self here when they say "you". This is assumed to be intangible.
And folks are wondering if this intangible perception exists after
death and if so, what they expect to percieve...
whew...


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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Quote:
Do you really expect life to be just a breeze and expect someone to fix it? Where is the challenge, this life is meant for learning; a spiritual development, how is that possible when everything is perfect?


Learning - Spiritual developement.... I'd try to sum it up but Swami put it best. I don't neccassarily agree with his point of view a lot of the time, but when it comes down to it, well, that's what you have.
The ONLY reason we learn is to survive in our environment - no matter which way you look at it, whether it be pleasure for the sake of learning or being force fed American Propaganda in school, it all comes down to your survival.
I think the question that needs to be answered before one can know what to expect after death, is 'what is the meaning of life' - well it's simple - the meaning of life is to survive - nothing more, nothing less. So far, you're doing good. Keep up the good work - who knows what tomorrow may bring...

Show me a spirit, and I'll show you how to develope it...


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: ]
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Hey Kottonmouth,
remember that these are "Near" Death Experiences, and must be
taken as such. I've yet to hear of someone being dead for a year
and comming back to tell his tale. The most remarkable one I read
was someone who was proclaimed dead for 3 days and woke up
in the morgue when they started an incision (ouch :wink:). I think to
establish real proof of afterlife, we'd have to establish an authentic,
reliable, repeatable and consistant means of communication with
such a realm. i.e. I know my dead grandmother is in some other
realm since I can do X,Y,Z and can communicate with her and
because I know of A,B,C I know that the entity I'm communicating
with is grandma AND that this can be repeatable and predictable
(this is an example ! not saying that I commune with grandma !) 


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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Lucid, iam sorry you misunderstood my statement. I was by no means trying to judge you. After all this is a fourm, i was inquiring about your post, not pulling it apart and criticizing everything you say.



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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: ]
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read the fuckin NDE's.
Ah, nothing quite like "spiritual" anger. I feel your loving oneness.

what they say about god, is just like my shroom experiences of feeling one-ness.
Both experiences are brought about via altered LIVE brain states having nothing whatsoever to do with a DEAD brain.



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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Cougheeman]
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being near death is having just a taste of death. so it IS death. you ARE dead, just not for the rest of this life. But i do understand what your sayin, there is no "sure way" of knowing...but man i follow my heart at all times, and its gotten me very far compared to how far i got when i would have no heart at all. You dont really "understand" NDE's till you have had one yourself, then your eyes are truly open, till then everything is just a "maybe".

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Cougheeman]
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Cougheeman, Thanks for clearing that up :smile: 


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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what remains is energy...never created never destroyed, just a transfer of energy


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this is the purpose

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: CleverName]
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Quote:
read the fuckin NDE's.
Ah, nothing quite like "spiritual" anger. I feel your loving oneness.

what they say about god, is just like my shroom experiences of feeling one-ness.
Both experiences are brought about via altered LIVE brain states having nothing whatsoever to do with a DEAD brain.


for the first comment, just because i am aware of the love, doesnt take the thug out of me. I will always be a juggalo till the day i die. Its not anger, if i was mad i wouldnt be here, this is just how i am i guess(blame society). Me knowing god as well as i do, i know that swearing dont mean SHIT to him. words are words man, nothing more. its the thoughts that count. I mean no bad by saying "fuck", you think just because churchy mother fuckers dont like swearing that swearing is wrong or void of love or looked down upon by god, but man, fuck that idea, God dont give a FUCK. one of the ten commandments is not to say the lords name in vain....well i know thats bullshit, i dont know anyone that says "god damn mother fucker" and actually means God when saying it. Its the THOUGHT that counts. So god will not send you to hell for picking up "god damnit" from someone when you were 5. understand?

to the second comment, i have nothing to prove, just sharing the info man

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: CleverName]
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what remains is energy...never created never destroyed, just a transfer of energy

Do you ACTUALLY understand The Laws of Thermodynamics or are you just totally misapplying this quote because you heard it before? They do NOT apply to form. If there were some "energy" leftover (whatever that means) it would be measurable. When a man dies there is no energy released other than the heat from decay, but not at the moment of death.

Is that how you define yourself? As energy not form. "You" is a unique form (a member of the shroomery, a brother, a son, a friend) that will no longer exist after death.

When someone genuinely asks, "How are you?" Do you not scan your body for physical or emotional or life situation and relationships before answering? Perhaps you answer, "I am an eternal energy field that cannot be harmed or destroyed." IF YOU TRULY BELIEVED THIS YOU WOULD BE FULL OF NON-STOP JOY. But because it is not real and you only want to believe it, you suffer like the rest of us.


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Edited by Swami (06/10/03 01:05 PM)

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
There is no reason to assume facts not in evidence. Let's look at what "you" are:

Your physical body: height, weight, gender, eye color; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your physical talents: playing soccer, guitar, writing - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your physical preferences: chocolate, redheads, scary movies; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your relationships: lovers, family, friends; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your memories: first kiss, skiing at Taos, tripping at the Greatful Dead; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.
Your dreams & desires: publish a book, win a noble prize; etc. - ALL GONE AFTER DEATH.

What remains? Even if there is a soul left (for which there is zero evidence) it most certainly is not "you" as you define yourself today.




Just because you associate "I" with the physical body doesn't mean everyone does.

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: ]
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Just because you associate "I" with the physical body doesn't mean everyone does.

Maybe not; just everyone that I know and everyone that I have ever met. Baywatch was one ot the most popular TV shows of all time, now why is that? Why are cosmetic companies billion dollar a year industries?

Do you not spend money on nice clothes and grooming? When you are trying to meet a new potential romantic partner do you focus on your bodily appearance or your energy field?

"Hey baby, I may have forgotten to shower, but my aura is sure glowing today."


Are you up for the Swami Pin-sticking Challenge? That is where I jab you with a 4" hat pin. If you yelp then you are obviously associating with your body.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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Although our physical body exists here who is to say that we dont have other parts of us existing in diffrent dimentions of reality.  Sorta like an interdimesional slug creatures that jumps to a new blank host as we die and be reborn. :smile:


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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Yes I see what you are saying. As long as physical existence is the only reality we know, that's what humans will relate to.

Why is it that when we're under the influence of psychedelics, such as shrooms, that we're so unconcerned with the physical? We (I know I'm generalizing here) care little about survival instincts like eating, sex and avoiding injury while tripping. How could we possibly be unconcerned with these things while under the influence of a drug? It goes against logic that our brains would be capable of existing in this state when from the point of view of Darwinian evolution, the psychedelics are nothing more than adversarial to our physical wellbeing and survival. Have you ever even deeply contemplated the fact that there are actual receptors for tryptamines in our bodies? Why in the hell would they even be there from an evolutionary point of view?

I'm not trying to argue anything in particular but I'd like to hear your opinion on this.  :smile: 

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: ]
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Fascinating point !
true, we have an ability/afinity to be weird  :grin:
:crazy:
 


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: ]
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Have you ever even deeply contemplated the fact that there are actual receptors for tryptamines in our bodies? Why in the hell would they even be there from an evolutionary point of view?




Well it could simple be someway for the non-physical part of us to interact with the physical, because after all they are neruo-transmitters. Take DMT for example high levels are thought to be found during birth and death which is produced by the pinnal gland. This is found to be directly above the sensory part of the brain (sight,sound,touch) and allows the dmt to be directly secreated onto it.

So i think DMT could be chemicle interface to the physical world maybe takeing DMT during life could actualy trick the brain into logging of from this physical system temory before the connection is re-established. Not forgetting we dont know what is happening at the quantom level.



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Edited by jezu (06/10/03 01:57 PM)

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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no,i dont fully understand the laws of therm,do you? i do see your point though,just to play devals advocate, heat energy is still energy, and if a carnivore devours my body then there is also i transfer of energy,or if i decay in the ground then there is energy,i didnt say one would be conscious of the transfer of energy


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: shr00m]
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I expect to "wake" wake-up,  look back and say to  myself: " Wow !!!  I had a real good time ! "


Then,  I anticipate looking forward  and noticing that I am really not as far away from where it is that I was initially heading ...  This period I just experienced was a real swell "rest-stop"...


Now well rested, it will become clear: Just a few more galactic leaps and I'm there..    [ Hopefully with the many friends I made along the way  by my side !!! ]


:smile:

 


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Dei Gratia de integro,

Veni Vidi Vici:

In Nomine Domini..

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Deiymiyan]
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"I expect to 'wake' wake-up, look back and say to myself: ' Wow !!! I had a real good time !'"

Hehe yeah I've thought about this as well - like suddenly I'll snap back to consciousness and think "wow man that human experience was really cool! K.. back to work"


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Strumpling]
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>what do u expect after death?
a refund...


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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I expect a good DMT trip during death, and after death I hope to fly through the universe, check out our solar system, see the milky way, maybe go to Andromeda .. hehe. But seriously, I want to expect something grand and profound but I feel it will just be the end of it with no fireworks,  with no soul ascending to a higher dimension or whatever. Just total nothingness, so I'm really trying to make the most of my time here  :laugh:

Edited by chodamunky (06/12/03 07:52 AM)

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: chodamunky]
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Swim has had conversations with someone very knowledgeable in this area. You guys are all totally on the right track. Swim was told (and believed it too) that when we go through the dying process, the brain floods itself with loads tryptamines (dmt proboably being the main one) causing you to "trip to infinity" so to speak. Kind of explains why heavy trips and Near death experiences are so much alike. Your body shuts down, your brain administers you the biggest dose of dmt ever! Then you are once again one with the cosmos, outside of time and free as a bird! Ok, maybe even more free than a bird....

Feedback?


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: gir]
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Sounds good to me. :smile:

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: gir]
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Swim ?
and who be Swim ? reveal thyself...


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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Swim is um.... well....
We usually dont like to talk about swim, hes a little on the "special" side if ya know what I'm saying. I mean um... if you know what swim is saying. Hes just a crazy fool, dont take anything he says seriously. He forgot his meds today.


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: gir]
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aha, got it...SWIM is OK... but he should take his meds...meds are good :smile:


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: lucid]
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i expect to meet people that have died. and that we are free to do anything we want now that we do not have our phsyical bodys anymore(which is the very thing that limits us)

I want to meet jimi hendrix ;-D


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: chodamunky]
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Personally I hope the afterlife = super DMT trip thing isn't true... it's not anything peaceful, it's a writhing 4d Escher-maze clockwork circus clown madhouse with the volume cranked up to 11, it wears you out just to look at and a couple hours there feels like weeks. So the afterlife as eternal DMT trip idea is terrifying, I don't think anyone could adapt to that. Dead or not, you'd go crazy...

[ Maybe we're already there- God actually is the merged consciousness of all the dead people... tripping infinitely hard- and It actually has gone insane. That would explain a lot... ]  :smirk:

I think I'm going to be pretty tired at the end of my life. I'd rather have the rest and closure of the Void than be blasted into a neverending everchanging hyperawareness, I just don't have the energy for it. 

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Xibalba]
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your living human brain and body doesnt have energy you mean?...

also, a crazy ass trip like that might be alot different if you weren't being torn between two realities like you are when you're alive. 
I dunno, just thoughts :smile:


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Xibalba]
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Personally I hope the afterlife = super DMT trip thing isn't true... it's not anything peaceful, it's a writhing 4d Escher-maze clockwork circus clown madhouse with the volume cranked up to 11, it wears you out just to look at and a couple hours there feels like weeks. So the afterlife as eternal DMT trip idea is terrifying, I don't think anyone could adapt to that. Dead or not, you'd go crazy...



guess it could either be your heaven or your hell....


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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Swami]
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What remains? Even if there is a soul left (for which there is zero evidence) it most certainly is not "you" as you define yourself today.


But all effects of my acts during life remain, and they define "me" as much as anything else. And all the influences that shaped my existence are still out there in one form or another. Even my body parts continue to exist, although in recycled form. The only thing that is destroyed by death is the continuity of my personal biological life-process.

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Re: what do u expect after death? [Re: Rhizoid]
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Free tickets to see the Greatful Dead that would be worth the wait. :smile:


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