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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil] * 1
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I sure I hope I have you guys on my side when I decide to go out and murder some random unnarmed person.

He demonstrated intent to "not let those assholes get away", even though the kid was not doing anything wrong
He ignored 911s suggestion to not follow the kid
He confronted the kid. Then he shot and killed him. Those are the only facts that really matter.
Whether or not Martin reacted violently in a "fight or flight" primal reaction is inconsequential to what actually transpired.
All seems pretty clear cut to me. Maybe I'm just retarded though, I don't completely discount that as a possibility.

It's good to know if I kill someone I can just claim self defense and bloody myself up a little.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Icelander,

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And I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Easter Bunny. So what?


Morality external to the law needs to keep the law in check.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Thank you, Shroomism. It seems that clear to me, too.  Maybe we're both retarded.  And thanks for starting the thread.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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See above edit/response ....  Thanks

I did. It reads like a racist manifesto by a rigidly closed mind.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said:
See above edit/response ....  Thanks


While I can't speak for anyone else, I have never once said that Martin's criminal record, his facebook pictures, or any of that other nonsense are relevant or admissible in court...

What is relevant is simply what the witnesses say and the physical evidence points to...I don't claim to be privy to all of that relevant material, so I can't possibly come in here and say that it was self-defense...and I don't see a lot of other people here doing that either.

What I CAN say, however, is that there seems to be a lot of evidence supporting a theory of self defense, and very little refuting it...again...from the limited amount of information I have been able to glean from the media outlets.  I have also freely admitted in this thread that I am biased toward defendants in criminal matters...If Martin were the defendant, I would be biased toward him...

The ultimate in bias, however, is when you can dismiss an eyewitness as being "on shrooms" simply because his testimony doesn't agree with a preconcieved notion you have formed by reading news stories.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
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Really?  Out of curiosity, what race do I advocate for, which against?


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Shroomism] * 1
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Shroomism said:
I sure I hope I have you guys on my side when I decide to go out and murder some random unnarmed person.

He demonstrated intent to "not let those assholes get away", even though the kid was not doing anything wrong
He ignored 911s suggestion to not follow the kid
He confronted the kid. Then he shot and killed him. Those are the only facts that really matter.
Whether or not Martin reacted violently in a "fight or flight" primal reaction is inconsequential to what actually transpired.
All seems pretty clear cut to me. Maybe I'm just retarded though, I don't completely discount that as a possibility.

It's good to know if I kill someone I can just claim self defense and bloody myself up a little.



even though the kid was not doing anything wrong

and you know this how?  It seems information is still scarce and still coming out.  Show me your crystal ball oh wise one.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Shroomism]
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He confronted the kid. Then he shot and killed him.

Confronting someone is not wrong, morally or legally. But if Martin then jumped Zimmerman, that IS wrong, morally and legally. And if that attack was severe enough, it is justification for responding with deadly force, morally and legally. Sorry if you don't like the truth when it doesn't lean your way.

Those are the only facts that really matter.

If you were a racist out to hang a man who hasn't even been indicted yet, then yes, those would be the only facts that really matter.

It's good to know if I kill someone I can just claim self defense

If you kill someone after they jump you, it would be self-defense, yes.

and bloody myself up a little.

And you accuse others of wild speculation. There's a word for that, it's hypocrisy.

All seems pretty clear cut to me. Maybe I'm just retarded though, I don't completely discount that as a possibility.



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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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If Martin were the defendant, I would be biased toward him.


Well, your sympathies are squarely with the living!  I give you that.

My point wrt witness on shrooms is simple.  He's anonymous.  There's been no way to guage his credibility yet.  Until there is, he has none with me.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
I sure I hope I have you guys on my side when I decide to go out and murder some random unnarmed person.


If I'm licensed in your state, and you need representation...let me know...I'll be on your side.
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He demonstrated intent to "not let those assholes get away", even though the kid was not doing anything wrong


You equate not wanting someone to "get away" with intent to kill?  You can't tell me you haven't felt the same way when someone stole your bike...did you intend to kill?
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He ignored 911s suggestion to not follow the kid


Which was his right
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He confronted the kid. Then he shot and killed him. Those are the only facts that really matter.


You think that confronting someone means that they have the right to do whatever they want to you without having to fear that you might defend yourself?  No offense, but if you've never confronted someone, you're probably a very passive person who allows people to walk all over you.
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Whether or not Martin reacted violently in a "fight or flight" primal reaction is inconsequential to what actually transpired.


YOU are the one making that story up...there's no evidence whatsoever that has emerged showing a "fight or flight" reaction...In fact, there is evidence that he turned to confront zimmerman for following him. (See statement of Martin's girlfriend).
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All seems pretty clear cut to me. Maybe I'm just retarded though, I don't completely discount that as a possibility.

It's good to know if I kill someone I can just claim self defense and bloody myself up a little.


If it were just that simple...the vast majority of self-defense claims have to go to trial...and most fail...but, cool plan bro.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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Not Quite Social said:
My point wrt witness on shrooms is simple.  He's anonymous.  There's been no way to guage his credibility yet.  Until there is, he has none with me.


He's anonymous to YOU...he doesn't owe you anything...in court, I promise he wouldn't be anonymous.


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
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What is relevant is simply what the witnesses say and the physical evidence points to

Haven't you heard? None of that is relevant. The only thing relevant is someone's "moral law".

And eye witnesses? So what, they were high on shrooms. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Not Quite Social]
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My point wrt witness on shrooms is simple.  He's anonymous.  There's been no way to guage his credibility yet.  Until there is, he has none with me.

He's not anonymous. His name has been given in all the recent news reports as John. He's also going to be interviewed by investigators, if he hasn't been already, and his full name will come out in the report.

Meanwhile, you lend weight to the girlfriend who so far has been identified only as DeeDee.

So, the witness against your pre-conviction is "on shrooms" and anonymous (even though he isn't), but the girlfriend is the golden witness.

Double standard. You are a hypocrite, my friend. A great big one.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
He confronted the kid. Then he shot and killed him.

Confronting someone is not wrong, morally or legally. But ifMartin then jumped Zimmerman, that IS wrong, morally and legally. And  if that attack was severe enough, it is justification for responding with deadly force, morally and legally. Sorry  if you don't like the truth when it doesn't lean your way.

Those are the only facts that really matter.

If you were a racist out to hang a man who hasn't even been indicted yet, then yes, those would be the only facts that really matter.

It's good to know if I kill someone I can just claim self defense

If you kill someone after they jump you, it would be self-defense, yes.

and bloody myself up a little.

And you accuse others of wild speculation. There's a word for that, it's hypocrisy.

All seems pretty clear cut to me. Maybe I'm just retarded though, I don't completely discount that as a possibility.






STOPSPECULATINGGODDAMNYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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George Zimmerman’s History of 911 Calls: A Complete Log

36.    April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts.

LMAO he called in on a little kid...


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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None of that is speculation. All of those are the available facts.

I preface everything with "if" because unlike the lynch mob, I can admit that everything is provisional until it's finalized in the investigative report. It's truly amazing that my exhibition of a completely open, completely neutral mindset, giving the benefit of the doubt to the lynch mob's point of view with lot's of "if", is here characterized negatively as speculation.

You should get a prize. Really. :congrats:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Beefcakemighty]
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LMAO he called in on a little kid...

It reads like he called out of concern for a little kid alone and maybe lost.

He also reported open garage doors that someone might have forgotten to close thus exposing their stuff to possible theft.

He reported aggressive dogs and stray dogs.

He reported "suspicious white males" too, did you read that part?

He reported debris in the roadway that might cause an accident.

He reported a lot of stuff that, if I lived in that neighborhood, I would be very grateful to him for. That was his volunteer job.

BTW, that's not a complete transcript. This is.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
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u shud hav chekd the index file brah


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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
LMAO he called in on a little kid...

It reads like he called out of concern for a little kid alone and maybe lost.

He also reported open garage doors that someone might have forgotten to close thus exposing their stuff to possible theft.

He reported aggressive dogs and stray dogs.

He reported "suspicious white males" too, did you read that part?

He reported debris in the roadway that might cause an accident.

He reported a lot of stuff that, if I lived in that neighborhood, I would be very grateful to him for. That was his volunteer job.

BTW, that's not a complete transcript. This is.



I was just posting info I found, You don't have to attack me.... I think you need to stop being so jumpy buddy...


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