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What is wrong with Black America?
    #2190054 - 12/19/03 12:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

(First of all let me say that I am not a racist)

This is a topic I ponder upon on a regular basis.

African-American people are much more likely to be incarcerated
and to perform poorly in academic environments than white people.
I have heard a million anecdotes from college professors(who say that
black students usually perform poorly in classes) to Army officers
(who say that black soldiers do not do as well in map-reading
exercises). Why is it that the average black male in America
seems to be more inclined towards criminality and below-average
intelligence when compared to the average white male?

There are a million possible reasons. Neo-nazis think that black
people are an obsolete early version of humans who are behind
white people on the evolutionary scale. Other people think that
it is impossible for the black race to ever achieve what white
people have because white people are the majority, which means the
culture is biased towards them. Others say that black people
resent what white people did to them(slavery), and now are suspicious
of a "system" they see as being controlled by whites. These are just
a few of the theories that have been put forth.

Although it can be tempting to accept the neo-nazi theory(because
of the deplorable condition of Africa), I don't buy it. There
are black people who are geniuses. There are also black people
who are not geniuses, but who are very intelligent(doctors, etc...).

I also think it is going to be very hard for a race that was freed
from slavery and started out with nothing, to accumulate resources.
American black people were set loose into a country where everything
was owned and controlled by white people. Therefore, it is going
to take a lot of time and effort for the black race to reach the
same level of material wealth as white people. Maybe along the
way, a lot of black people got discouraged and resentful. Because
of this I think that they are more likely to look contemptuously
upon success and to pursue illegal lifestyles.

This is a very complex subject and there a million different
opinions on it.

I would like to hear what some of you have to say.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190062 - 12/19/03 12:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Neo-nazis think

I can't quite get my head around those two words being juxtaposed like that.. :laugh:


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2190071 - 12/19/03 12:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


Neo-nazis think


I can't quite get my head around those two words being juxtaposed
like that..


:rolleyes:
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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190093 - 12/19/03 12:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
African-American people are much more likely to be incarcerated
and to perform poorly in academic environments than white people.
I have heard a million anecdotes from college professors(who say that
black students usually perform poorly in classes) to Army officers
(who say that black soldiers do not do as well in map-reading
exercises). Why is it that the average black male in America
seems to be more inclined towards criminality and below-average
intelligence when compared to the average white male?




Pardon my saying so, but you are asking just slightly the wrong question. When you are comparing american negro's to the rest of American society, mainly of an Anglo heritage, you are opening yourself up to the obvious liberal answer of, you guessed it, it's whitey's fault! Ask why nations in Africa that had never seen a White man until 200 years ago are still underachieving. Ask why Negro's can live on the most fertile continent on Earth, and still starve. Ask why no African nation has a space program. Ask why no African nation, save South Africa which was built by White people, has a working form of government that doesn't involve frequent bloody coups. Ask why Africa has the highest AIDS rate of any other continent. Ask why, when my ancestors were creating sea-faring vessels to conquer their wanderlust and chart the Earth, blacks in Africa were doing pretty much the same thing that they are today. Ask why their are huge beautiful castles in European nations, but not in Africa. Ask where the African equivalent of Socrates, Plato, any of the great Greek thinkers that developed systems of mathematics, horticulture, aquatics, democracy, schools of thought, ask why none of that happened in Africa. Ask why it is still taught in schools that white men "stole" the slaves from Africa, yet their is still slavery in Africa. Ask why the rampant anti-White crime in south Africa isn't reported on the nightly news every night. Ask why no black person, in Africa, has ever made any accomplishments that begin to rival that of their northern counterparts.
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There are a million possible reasons. Neo-nazis think that black
people are an obsolete early version of humans who are behind
white people on the evolutionary scale.




"neo-nazis" think that, hm? Anyone who doesn't toe the line and think it's Whities fault is, by your definition, a "neo nazi"? I'd say that I believe somewhat what you said, but I'm certaintly not a socialist in any sense of the word. Ask why anyone who doesn't automatically blame black failure on white oppression is given a 'label' by the media.
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Other people think that it is impossible for the black race to ever achieve what white people have because white people are the majority, which means the culture is biased towards them.




Again, that is why I recommend comparing the failures of the negro people to produce a working system in Africa, where they developed, or more correctly, didn't develop, while the Whites of Europe were thriving. This wasn't a time when their was slavery of Negros in AFrica by white people, they were still doing the same thing that they are now.
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Others say that black people
resent what white people did to them(slavery), and now are suspicious
of a "system" they see as being controlled by whites.




Back to my reason for comparing Africa with Europe, rather than Negro americans with white americans. You might want to ask why Indians score better on tests and have much lower crime rates than the Negros. Certaintly the Indians were treated worse by EvilWhiteMan than the Negro's were, right? They seem to have adapted.

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Although it can be tempting to accept the neo-nazi theory(because
of the deplorable condition of Africa), I don't buy it. There
are black people who are geniuses. There are also black people
who are not geniuses, but who are very intelligent(doctors, etc...).




I can teach my dog how to sit and stay, but shes not a genius. Negros might be able to be trained in medicine, or philosophy, or physics, but the spark of creation that led whit people to invent these fields just doesn't exist in their collective mind. If you doubt this, as I'm sure the liberals will, answer my questions at the beginning of this post. Your failure to do so will prove my point.
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I also think it is going to be very hard for a race that was freed
from slavery and started out with nothing, to accumulate resources.
American black people were set loose into a country where everything
was owned and controlled by white people.




If Negros don't like the living conditions in America, maybe they should look at Africa and see where they'd be if White people hadn't bought the Negros from the Negro's and brought them over here. I'd rather be a decendant of a slave and now in America than living in the shit-hole that my people call 'our home'.
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Therefore, it is going
to take a lot of time and effort for the black race to reach the
same level of material wealth as white people. Maybe along the
way, a lot of black people got discouraged and resentful. Because
of this I think that they are more likely to look contemptuously
upon success and to pursue illegal lifestyles.




Again, why do they do it in Africa? Why isn't hteir a matching society in Africa that is as technologically advanced, or advanced in any of the ways that Western Man has seemed to have doen so well?


If Negro's feel that they can't get 'ahead' in a nation controlled by Whites, I think that we owe it to them to offer them a one - way ticket back to their Motherland. In exchange, all of the Afrikanners, and of course all of their businesses and items that they purchased, will return to European nations. If Africans are incapable of existing and thriving in such a fertile land as Africa, with no EvilWhiteMan to oppress them, well, thats the way nature works.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190095 - 12/19/03 01:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You might also want to ask why West Virginia, one of the poorest states in America, has such a low crime rate. With the poverty = criminality theory that liberals use to explain away black crime and aggression, this mainly white impoverished state should have as much crime as the poorest ghettos of New York City. Anyone wanna bet wether or not they do? (note, they dont have much crime at all, wv is one of the better states to live in, crime rate wise)

I'm sure that the liberals will waive their wand and make this fact disappear as well, right into the sea of white Guilt.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2190116 - 12/19/03 01:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:shake: :lol:


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2190137 - 12/19/03 01:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


There are a million possible reasons. Neo-nazis think that black
people are an obsolete early version of humans who are behind
white people on the evolutionary scale.


"neo-nazis" think that, hm? Anyone who doesn't toe the line and think
it's Whities fault is, by your definition, a "neo nazi"? I'd say that
I believe somewhat what you said, but I'm certaintly not a socialist
in any sense of the word. Ask why anyone who doesn't automatically
blame black failure on white oppression is given a 'label' by the
media.

A person who thinks that blacks are behind whites on the evolutionary
scale is not necessarily a racist. They genuinely think that
the black brain is not as developed as the white brain. There
is no "hatred" involved in coming to that opinion as long as it is
based upon observable fact. However, don't forget that "neo-nazi"
type people are biased towards what they want to believe, much like
politically correct liberals are.

Nobody really knows why black people perform so poorly in American
society. I was merely expressing some of the common theories.

I am no liberal, but neither am I conservative. I let my opinions
be shaped by my experiences.

Your examples of lackluster black performance on this world are noted.
They are quite true and can quite easily lead someone to believe
that black people truly are mentally inferior. It is quite possible
that the average black person's brain is not as well developed as the
average white person's brain. It would be interesting to see a
scientific study on that subject.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190169 - 12/19/03 01:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why are African Americans so good at making things out of peanuts?


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190192 - 12/19/03 01:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I also think it is going to be very hard for a race that was freed
from slavery and started out with nothing, to accumulate resources.


I can't buy this explanation. I lived and worked in Silicon Valley for about 18 years. A large percentage of technicians, assemblers and engineers that I worked with were Vietnamese. Many of these were "boat people" who arrived with no money, no contacts, did not speak the language and had huge cultural barriers to overcome.

In a very short time, these people (in general) got degrees, became homeowners and started businesses. In short, they busted ass to be a part of America and claim their piece of it. Not surprisingly, I NEVER once heard any whining or complaining about how tough they had it.

Note: Please do not read more in here than what I posted.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Swami]
    #2190199 - 12/19/03 01:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think a lot of them have had it pounded into their heads that they are a "repressed minority" and this creates a psychological barrier in their own minds.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2190250 - 12/19/03 01:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


"psychological barrier"


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2190266 - 12/19/03 01:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is there an "a"?


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: Swami]
    #2190293 - 12/19/03 02:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I can't buy this explanation. I lived and worked in Silicon Valley for about 18 years. A large percentage of technicians, assemblers and engineers that I worked with were Vietnamese. Many of these were "boat people" who arrived with no money, no contacts, did not speak the language and had huge cultural barriers to overcome.




That is a good example. I'm sure that the people that are so "open-minded" about issues will probably consider me a 'racist', but I think that people of Asiatic decent are very hard working, intelligent and have contributed alot to global culture and society.
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In a very short time, these people (in general) got degrees, became homeowners and started businesses. In short, they busted ass to be a part of America and claim their piece of it. Not surprisingly, I NEVER once heard any whining or complaining about how tough they had it.





The vast majority of theworld lives in conditions that are so far below the conditions we live in America and yet, the people in America don't realize this. Whenever I hear Jesse Jackson bitching about the state of black people in this country, I always want to ask him if he thinks that hte decendants of slaves in this country are better or worse off than the current negro inhabitants of Africa.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190343 - 12/19/03 02:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Again, I think that the question that founded this discussion is flawed somewhat. It implies that elsewhere in the world, either in Africa which for most of it's existance was devoid of any influence by white people, or other nations that negros have migrated to, they are doing fantastically and keeping up with the rest of society. This is entirely untrue. Any nation you look at will show that blacks commit disproportionatly more crimes, have lower incoems, and score worse on standard tests.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2190365 - 12/19/03 02:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I once read an article that said it's because of the illegitimacy rate among black people. This seems to explain the problem at least somewhat. They do more poorly in school because their mom has to work all the time to support her kids financially, but because of this she can't be there very often for academic or emotional support. White and Asian kids, on the other hand, usually have two parents who are able to be there to help them with their homework or get on their case about their grades. Also, if a single mother is away at work all day, she can't supervise her kids, so the kids might go out and get into trouble while she's gone. How to solve the problem of illegitimacy among them I don't know. I do notice that Gangsta Rap tends to portray women as sex objects, so maybe that attitude becomes reflected in the community, and black guys start to believe it. As much as I hate Bill O'Reilley, I think he may be on to something here.

Another factor seems to be the general hostility towards education found among black youths. There seems to be an attitude among them that if they become educated and go to college, they are somehow "selling out" or "acting white." I'm not sure where this attitude came from, but I have a sneeking suspicion that the media might have something to do with it. If you watch a lot of black movies and television, you'll often find a "Carlton" character--an educated, often conservative black man who speaks in a "white" accent, and is portrayed as being a total white charicature in the body of a black man. This character is usually portrayed in a ridiculous and comical manner. Thus, they are given the impression that this is not something for them to aspire to. The Gangsta Rappers they listen to, on the other hand, portray themselves in a badass, almost heroic manner.

Combine this with the fact that in the ghetto, the richest guys are the drug dealers. Thus, black guys growing up in the ghetto see these guys making way more money through crime than they could ever hope to make legitimately, so they give up on ever making it in college or the workplace, and turn to a life of crime. I think part of the solution to this is to legalize all drugs and regulate their sale so that those drug dealers will go out of business and those kids will have to find a new role model.

Another issue is self-esteem. You see, it's much lower among blacks than among whites. A major reason for this is our culture's values, transmitted through media, social interaction, and other means, have an emphasis on white as beautiful and black as ugly. This makes a big impression on black children at a very early age. Many black people start to believe white people's stereotypes of them, resulting in something called self-hate. A symptom of this is low self-esteem, which can have an adverse effect on academic performance by making them think they're not good enough. As a way of reversing this, I would suggest the media be wary of the kind of stereotypes they portray. And I don't just mean the white media. So-called "black entertainment" is often more full of black stereotypes than the white media. Just watch UPN some time if you don't believe me. I'm not advocating censorship here, but I'd like to see any black stereotypes in the media balanced out by positive black images. They need to show that a black man can be educated and speak eloquently without "acting white" or "selling out." They should also work to promote the idea that black people can be beautiful.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2190374 - 12/19/03 02:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

everything you say makes sense but it still feels wrong. it sounds as though you're suggesting that blacks are the evil race out of all the different races in the world. how could god have done that? each culture has its virtue and failing. imagine if africa had gone on as it was, unmolested by foreign invaders......they wouldn't be polluting the world, we wouldn't have to worry about eating too much tunafish and getting mercury poisoning in our brains.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2190393 - 12/19/03 02:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

(except the self-esteem part. i'm not so sure about that)


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    #2190418 - 12/19/03 02:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Now you see why I'm a Sociology major.

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(except the self-esteem part. i'm not so sure about that)



What part are you not sure of? The fact that it's a bigger problem among blacks, or that it's a contributing factor in their poor academic performance?


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2190440 - 12/19/03 02:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's more of an issue of culture rather than genetics. These two things, though closely related, are separate from each other. Genes and culture are both things that are handed down from generation to generation, one is tranferred by sex, and the other is transferred via the senses. One is determined at birth, the other is more adaptable within the timestream of the individual.

It is interesting to note that Africa contains several times more genetic diversity than the entire rest of the world combined. Statistically, the XXX-est everything is most likely to be in Africa...


The smartest man, the smartest woman, the tallest woman, the shortest woman, the whitest man, the gassiest man, etc...


If any race were to be wiped out, it would be possible to re-create it by selectively breeding Africans. You could breed a typical N orwegian, for example, entirely from Africans.


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Re: What is wrong with Black America? [Re: question_for_joo]
    #2190554 - 12/19/03 03:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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question_for_joo said:
everything you say makes sense but it still feels wrong. it sounds as though you're suggesting that blacks are the evil race out of all the different races in the world. how could god have done that? each culture has its virtue and failing. imagine if africa had gone on as it was, unmolested by foreign invaders......they wouldn't be polluting the world, we wouldn't have to worry about eating too much tunafish and getting mercury poisoning in our brains.




Not at all. I realize that not toeing the line and spouting the goodness of blacks and the evilness of white oppressors sounds like it's 'racist', but I assure you that I'm not. Idon't want to "lynch niggers" or "kill the coons". I personally think that both races would be better off if they were left to their own devices. If blacks simply aren't "geared" towards technology, education, philosophy, things of modern culture, thats fine. They can be in their homeland and live the way that their ancestors did. I think that is great. However, they shouldn't be allowed to hold anyone else back

Also, i'm sure that their is MUCH more pollution in Africa, and much more disease.

Also, the word you want isn't "culture", it's race. Go ahead, you can say that races are different. The Thought Police won't, yet, arrest you for heresy.


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