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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848338 - 08/25/03 02:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Good answers.

Here's another question.

Canada has far less crime. The way Moore phrased it I assume they have far less blacks. Does anyone know if this is the case percentage wise?

I am going to look for those stats.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848340 - 08/25/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The worst culprit is a culture that holds a tough-guy caricature as it's highest ideal, and considers personal responibility and hard work as 'selling out'. Thank welfare and the WOD for that, and race-baiting pimps like Jesse Jackson.



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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848366 - 08/25/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I could not agree with that more.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: shakta]
    #1848409 - 08/25/03 03:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have Chris Rock on my side :smile:


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848420 - 08/25/03 03:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hence my earlier response....

"Actually, if the report is true, the word would be CULTURE."


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1848426 - 08/25/03 03:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty much what I thought you meant.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848435 - 08/25/03 03:37 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It was but you were more eloquent in your response.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848524 - 08/25/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, after at least a half an hour of searching I didn't really find anything meaningful in the way of population statistics between Canada and the United States.

I have revised my opinion though.

In the early 70's the American Indian Movement, or AIM for short, did in fact stir up the Natives and there was bloodshed. This is a parallel or a direct cause for black on white crime.

However, there must be a root cause for the unrest. You simply cannot rile a people up against another race unless there were injustices against that race by the other one.

So I guess the quick and easy answer for the gun problem in the United States would be Louis Farrakan, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.

That just blows me away.

And as far as the news is concerned Luv, I wouldn't be privy to that kind of info. I have been in a more or less news blackout for 15 years.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: ]
    #1848541 - 08/25/03 04:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Louis Farrakan has some interesting things to say about Jews and flying saucers.



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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: wingnutx]
    #1848563 - 08/25/03 04:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

I am sure he does!

Whadda moroon.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: ]
    #1848963 - 08/25/03 06:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I found this chart provided by the World Health Organization in their publication "World Report on Violence and Health," Chapter 1 (this link is a .pdf file)



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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1848976 - 08/25/03 06:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Europe just seems to be more of a DIY death scene.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1848977 - 08/25/03 06:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

What are you pointing out exactly? It would be even more interesting if it broke down the US seperate from the rest of the two continents.


Edited by shakta (08/25/03 06:08 PM)


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Autonomous]
    #1848994 - 08/25/03 06:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I guess you just kill someone else if you get depressed in Africa. Isn't it strange that the worst region to live in, in the world has the lowest suicide rates?


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: ]
    #1849111 - 08/25/03 07:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mr_Mushrooms said:
If this is true then the difference between the gun violence in Canada and the gun violence in the US is simple, reducible to one word:

SLAVERY

A person or a nation reaps what they sow.
 




Actually i'd say its simple numbers.  Many more people own guns in america than canada....thus more gun crime. :tongue:

I'd really like to hear a debate on guns and racism between luvdemshrooms and malachi.... :lol:...or not....


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1849117 - 08/25/03 07:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That theory doesn't account for the higher crime in areas of the US where fewer people own guns.


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: ]
    #1849237 - 08/25/03 07:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

ip: like look
ip: if you took a black person
ip: and randomly picked a person from the populace
ip: its 7 times more likely to be a white person than a black person
con: true
ip: and blacks commit 7.5 more crimes against whites than blacks
ip: so really that does even out
ip: like its almost race blind
con: yeah, good point.
con: HMM.

so the black vs white crime doesnt matter nearly as much as the fact that black people have a higher density of criminals... so culture would matter over slavery. but then since slavery and poverty were the foundation of black culture.. and theyre still disproportionately impoverished.. slavery was instrumental in shaping the culture of today, which is why theyre so violent.

does that make sense?


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: ]
    #1849414 - 08/25/03 09:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Canada has far less crime. The way Moore phrased it I assume they have far less blacks. Does anyone know if this is the case percentage wise?





black in canada get along way better than blacks in america, it's actually the east indians and the native americans that white canadians vilify (of course it is also the east indians who run the major crime networks, so it's somewhat based in fact).


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Malachi]
    #1849420 - 08/25/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"I guess you just kill someone else if you get depressed in Africa. Isn't it strange that the worst region to live in, in the world has the lowest suicide rates?"

some really fucked up shit has been done to the black south africans in the recent past by the white south africans. it's been pay back time for the last few years.

it's not hard to understand that it's easier to direct your hatred outwards when there's such a visible target(s).


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Re: Gun violence in America, why? [Re: Malachi]
    #1849421 - 08/25/03 09:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"In the early 70's the American Indian Movement, or AIM for short, did in fact stir up the Natives and there was bloodshed. This is a parallel or a direct cause for black on white crime."

free leonard peltier!


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