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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Xlea321]
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So liberals hate micheal moore. Makes about as much sense as anything you post I suppose.


ouch ya got me...i'm bleeding.

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Women in your area are actually men?


just the English ones with funky teeth.

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Whatever medication the psychiatrist is giving you, ask him to double it.


*rim shot* but seriously folks...

you're english, please stop the humor, it's not your strong point.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: mjshroomer]
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"He is not my president."

this reminds me of braveheart.
"i swore no alligeance to him"
"yes, but he is still your king".

much bloodshed ensued. mjshroomer, if you become modern day william wallace, i will surely join your cause.

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Innvertigo]
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Well said, and ditto.

And so you don't feel left out Fart, I feel the same way about your posts and your "logic".


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: mjshroomer]
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Then someone said Bush was my President and i replied he was not my president and explained why he was not my president.


You can claim he's not, you may not wish him to be, but as long as you live in the US, he is.

All the arguements in the world will not change that.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: mjshroomer]
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Quite possibly an idiot who makes a few million dollars a year, as opposed to people who repsond to messages that say he is an idiot and those people are not making millions of dollars a year.


What does his income have to do with anything?


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: z@z.com]
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I was wondering the same thing


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Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Phred]
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Id like to see some proof of the jumbled sentences etc. Surelly if this were true in the land of the lawyer somebody would have sued Moore's ass by now.

I'd also like to hear what he has to say about the various claims made in those 2 articles.


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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: shoe]
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shoe writes:

Those two sites you linked: one is a commentary. Someone elses opinion does not make fact.

Although it is a commentary, it also includes many examples of the dishonest representations Moore uses. Not slanting, not biased "spinning", not selective quotation, not even just taking quotes out of context; but outright falsehoods and staged events.

The other is a decent article, but it fails to acknowledge one thing..
There is no such thing as an unbiased documentary.

The author's point is that Moore has gone beyond bias -- way beyond bias and into actual lies, fabrication, and actionable libel. The author does not criticize Moore for slanting, he criticizes him for dishonesty. Bowling for Columbine is no more a documentary than was Oliver Stone's movie about the Kennedy assassination. If you had read the link, you would know this already. Here is what he has to say about your point:

"The point is not that Bowling is unfair, or that its conclusions are incorrect. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive. A viewer cannot count upon any aspect of it, even when the viewer believes he is seeing video of an event occurring or a person speaking."

pinky


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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: GazzBut]
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Id like to see some proof of the jumbled sentences etc.

It's all there on the link. You did actually take the time to read it before shooting off your yap, didn't you? The author is scrupulously careful to provide links on where, for example, you can obtain the footage of Heston's speeches. Anyone with that footage and a copy of Bowling for Columbine can compare the two and see precisely how Moore has rearranged it all. The author details it practically frame by frame, for pete's sake!

Surelly if this were true in the land of the lawyer somebody would have sued Moore's ass by now.

There is no question that Heston has an actionable case of libel. Heston, however, is a very old, very ill man, with more money than he needs to live out the rest of his days. I don't blame him for not bothering to give this drivel more attention than it deserves.

Some more commentary for those who can't be bothered reading the link:

Moore's own assessment of Bowling is to the point: "It's funny, poignant and interesting, your perfect Saturday night out." That might of course be said of good comedic fiction.

For a documentary, though, one expects more. For example, truth.

The point is not that Bowling is unfair, or lacking in objectivity. One might hope that a documentary would be fair and objective, but nothing rules out a rousing polemic now and then.

The point is far more fundamental: Bowling for Columbine is dishonest. It is fraudulent. It fixes upon a theme, and advances it, whenever necessary, by deception. It even uses the audio/video editor to assemble a Heston speech that Heston did not give, and to turn sympathetic phrases into arrogant ones. You can't even trust the narrator to read you a plaque or show you a speech, for Pete's sake.

The bottom line: can a film be called a documentary when the viewer cannot trust an iota of it, not only the narration, but the video? I suppose film critics could debate that one for a long time, and some might prefer entertainment and effect to fact and truth. But the Academy Award rules here are specific. Rule 11 lays out "Special Rules for the Documentary Award." And it begins with the definition: "A documentary film is defined as a non-fiction motion picture . . . ." It goes on to say that a documentary doesn't always have to show the "actual occurrence": it can employ re-enactment, etc., "as long as the emphasis is on factual content and not on fiction."

Unfortunately, the Academy seems to have considered Rule 11 as dispensible so long as the film in question is one attacking one Charlton Heston, and the NRA.

pinky




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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Phred]
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I agree 100% with what Michael Moore said at the Academy Awards. He hit the nail on the head, and it's nice to see people slam the tyrant Bush at large events such as the Academy Awards.


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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Zahid]
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Everyone should go here and click under Documentary Feature to watch streaming video of Moore answering the media's questions after the ceremony.

Edited by dee_N_ae (03/24/03 12:06 PM)

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: z@z.com]
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i like moore's films. i enjoy watching them. but i know better than to take him seriously.

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: dee_N_ae]
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Thanks for that link dee!!!


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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: pattern]
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michael moore is an enemy of freedom

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: ]
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Michael Moore gassed the Kurds!


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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: ]
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I think he has a very open mind.

You cant expand your horizons or do much without an open minded outlook on life.

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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: dee_N_ae]
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Very cool link.

Thanks.




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Re: Academy Awards Anti-War Message from Michael Moore [Re: Xlea321]
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The only medication I eat is pussy.

mj

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