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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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  I guess you just have to be able to recognize people that are extremely charismatic, and people who actually have goodwill towards others. There's a difference.


So you have this amazing ability to discern while others don't. OK...

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A real sage will bring peace to your mind and heart just with his words and presence. 


True Scotsman Fallacy much? Who is a real sage and what is the metric other than feeling?


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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A true sage is one who is completely in the moment, and as such has abandoned their personal existence. They are just pure consciousness. Otherwise known as residing totally in the heart, or being in constant contact with god.  They are totally immersed in the godly principle in our minds, which is the feeling of 'i am.' But where as for most of us this feeling is the seat of the ego, for them it has expanded to include their whole reality.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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People are people.

What that means to you is an expression of what you already think about people.

And what you think about people is what it is.

What you think about that ^ is an expression of what you think about your beliefs.

And that is what it is.

And what you think that meant is an expression of what you think about what you think about your beliefs.


Not really replying to you orgone, except to say that you must have a notebook with about 10 names written in it that you drop whenever you encounter a certain flavor of stupid. Like a toolbox of bad examples.

Edited by xFrockx (11/23/10 09:59 PM)

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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A true sage is one who is completely in the moment


At least you dodged both questions. :rolleyes:


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:I watch mooji videos on youtube for free.  And believe me when I say I know exactly what it means to be merged in the self. It's just being here now, in the moment. And staying there.


It isn't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just isn't so. - Mark Twain

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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mark twain had obviously never read be here now.
OrgoneConclusion said:
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A true sage is one who is completely in the moment


At least you dodged both questions. :rolleyes:


what are you talking about i gave you a direct answer.

amuzakat said:
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guruu said:I watch mooji videos on youtube for free.  And believe me when I say I know exactly what it means to be merged in the self. It's just being here now, in the moment. And staying there.


It isn't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just isn't so. - Mark Twain


Well, that just is so.  The moment is where it is.  You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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what are you talking about i gave you a direct answer.


Really? I sometimes wonder if there is anyone on the other end when discussing with you.

What is the metric we can all use to recognize a Spiritual Master and (new question to prevent further dodging) will this method prevent future people from being scammed?

Name one Master currently alive.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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haha got the italics in there for extra affect eh.. nice


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
amuzakat said:
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guruu said:I watch mooji videos on youtube for free.  And believe me when I say I know exactly what it means to be merged in the self. It's just being here now, in the moment. And staying there.


It isn't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just isn't so. - Mark Twain


Well, that just is so.  The moment is where it is.  You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.


Man's only truthful moment is when he acknowledges himself a liar. - Mark Twain.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: soldatheero]
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Italics are the new:



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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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amuzakat said:
guruu said:
amuzakat said:
guruu said:I watch mooji videos on youtube for free.  And believe me when I say I know exactly what it means to be merged in the self. It's just being here now, in the moment. And staying there.


It isn't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just isn't so. - Mark Twain


Well, that just is so.  The moment is where it is.  You're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.


Man's only truthful moment is when he acknowledges himself a liar. - Mark Twain.


Forgive me if I'm not swayed by the barrage of Mark Twain quotations.

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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what are you talking about i gave you a direct answer.


Really? I sometimes wonder if there is anyone on the other end when discussing with you.

What is the metric we can all use to recognize a Spiritual Master and (new question to prevent further dodging) will this method prevent future people from being scammed?

Name one Master currently alive.


You can know you're not being scammed because their very presence will be of spiritual benefit. However, if your prime objective is to make sure you're not being scammed, that's the total wrong attitude.  You need to go in with an open mind and heart. I guess that's scary to some people, to open their mind and let another's words have a powerful effect on their psyche, but it's constructive in the end.

Mooji is a living master right now, thanks to watching his videos on youtube I had one of the most profound experiences of my life. But there's also Adyashanti, a lot of Advaita Vendata dudes in England (i'd hesitate to call them masters, but they're pretty good).  Also Ganjaji, and probably a shit ton of yoga masters over in India.

The metric for a spiritual master is, as I said, being absorbed in the Self, which is your being.  It's your true formless nature. The only way to recognize this in another is if you've gained some form of self realization, though probably to a much less extent. The only reason I could recognize the intense peace i see in mooji was from feeling small amounts of that myself in meditation.  But he is literally blissed out all the time.



watch this video it's short.  Adyashanti is funny, he's like zonked on bliss, but what he's saying is so powerful.  And to relate back to the OP, if you realize that what you are is consciousness (and so is everything else), then the idea of reincarnation will start to make quite a bit more sense.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Ganjaji



You wish, but it is only Gangaji :smile:

The last Mark twain quote
“In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other”

To be lectured on the authenticity of gurus by someone who never even met one...! Geeez.
But now I promise to leave and not bother you again with Mark Twain quotes.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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Mooji is a living master right now


Baloney and bullshit.  I've watched many of his vids and he came across to me as a snake oil salesman.  You've been duped :rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Can you point out some specific reasons why think that?


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: soldatheero]
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What exactly do you mean.  He says what every two bit holy man says. I watched several and I wasn't impressed by his cosmic holiness.  He was just some dude to me.  I could have dressed up and said that same shit and someone would have called me a holy man.

Living Master?  Just because he says what everyones been saying since buddha?  Who needs to hear it more than once? It's all been said and now it's just reruns as each generation of insecure suckers follows the new enlightened master. Give it a rest.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Yeah, but he can levitate: :levitate:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Diploid]
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Just not in person.:tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I could have dressed up and said that same shit and someone would have called me a holy man.


Probably not.

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Living Master?  Just because he says what everyones been saying since buddha?  Who needs to hear it more than once? It's all been said and now it's just reruns as each generation of insecure suckers follows the new enlightened master. Give it a rest.:lol:


Well I think it's sad you've projected him as a snake oil salesman.  He doesn't even sell anything necessarily, you have to pay to go to satsang but you can watch his youtube videos for free.  It's just funny that somebody so genuine and happy comes off to you as a phony. I promise you, I've followed some of his teachings and they do work, amazingly in fact.  Do you think i'm just lying to myself or something? And all the other people on these boards who have the same types of experiences?

Try this: meditate for a while and then watch a mooji video as soon as you're done.  Or play a video while meditating.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Yeah, but he can levitate: :levitate:


He probably can't.  Mooji isn't about gaining powers.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Diploid said:
Yeah, but he can levitate: :levitate:


Icelander said:
Just not in person.:tongue:

:ilold::rofl2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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