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Reincarnation nutters
    #18732859 - 08/20/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why would you believe in such nonsense with no real (read: verifiable) evidence?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18732875 - 08/20/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Extending that logic, why would anyone believe anything that is not based on fact?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: thedream]
    #18732881 - 08/20/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

or not believe


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18732884 - 08/20/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

why believe anything at all ?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18732887 - 08/20/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Because someday i'll be the best I can be! :courtjester:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: smiggert]
    #18732890 - 08/20/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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why believe anything at all ?




It's necessary to stay alive.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18732915 - 08/20/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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why believe anything at all ?




It's necessary to stay alive.




Don't tell me what to do! :shakefist:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18732921 - 08/20/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would you believe in such nonsense with no real (read: verifiable) evidence?




Its not externally verifiable, as a personal pursuit through OBEs it is as verifiable as the waking life. If your experiences are equally lucid and your memory extends out of the waking life to the point that it is only a fraction of consciousness, why believe in it over everything else?

This waking life is only a fraction of my consciousness, there is really nothing that can happen in this world to make me think it is more real than the majority of my awareness. Whether or not that appears as delusion to anyone, the reverse is also true


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #18732930 - 08/20/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This whole situation beggars belief. :shrug2:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: thedream]
    #18732934 - 08/20/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Extending that logic, why would anyone believe anything that is not based on fact?




Because they are unable to think critically. What did I win?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #18733026 - 08/20/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would you believe in such nonsense with no real (read: verifiable) evidence?




IMO it's because it makes us feel safer about having a decaying animal body.  We get to come back instead of just going the way of the dinosaur.  Death Anxiety 101.:jimmorrison:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733037 - 08/20/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Has Morrison returned yet?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18733054 - 08/20/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Why would you believe in such nonsense with no real (read: verifiable) evidence?




Its not externally verifiable, as a personal pursuit through OBEs it is as verifiable as the waking life. If your experiences are equally lucid and your memory extends out of the waking life to the point that it is only a fraction of consciousness, why believe in it over everything else?

This waking life is only a fraction of my consciousness, there is really nothing that can happen in this world to make me think it is more real than the majority of my awareness. Whether or not that appears as delusion to anyone, the reverse is also true



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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733063 - 08/20/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Has Morrison returned yet?


I think I just squished him. :eek:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733078 - 08/20/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

his reincarnated soul should bring us all some of the heroine :wink::thumbup:

edit: is that the right heroine?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733095 - 08/20/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why would anyone not believe in reincarnation? or believe? Seems equally nonsensical


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733098 - 08/20/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I agree.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733105 - 08/20/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would anyone not believe in reincarnation? or believe? Seems equally nonsensical




Not believing in something is not the same as claiming you know it doesn't exist.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733110 - 08/20/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What would you say to explain the reason for firm non belief?

no but its claiming you think it doesn't exist, what reason could there be?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733121 - 08/20/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It seems only a select few here are edumacated enough to realize that the default position is disbelief in any phenomenon until sufficient evidence is presented. It is not a fifty-fifty proposition.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733131 - 08/20/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe in things which there isn't substantial evidence for.

The way reincarnation is purported to work, and the history behind its birth as a concept don't provide any evidence of it being true.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733146 - 08/20/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733168 - 08/20/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't not believe and I don't have belief. If someone asked me does reincarnation exist I just say it could be or it could not be, until there's reason to believe or to not believe.


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733189 - 08/20/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As if kids listening to the drone of a state employee regurgitating the government's standardized tests is any better than a priest force feeding us dribble.

Every generation humanity thinks it has the answer.  A while ago it was "God", now the answer is "science". 

Embrace your inner nihilists you bastards.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733190 - 08/20/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

very agnostical.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733194 - 08/20/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is reason to not believe in it because the mechanics of it make no sense, and it is an archaic belief system that was based on totally unverified assumptions for no other reason than it sounded nice.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733198 - 08/20/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Then I wasn't Cleopatra after all? :hissyfit:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: ClockCode]
    #18733200 - 08/20/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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As if kids listening to the drone of a state employee regurgitating the government's standardized tests is any better than a priest force feeding us dribble.

Every generation humanity thinks it has the answer.  A while ago it was "God", now the answer is "science". 

Embrace your inner nihilists you bastards.




You are a finite walking sack of meat that will cease to function and rot into the ground soon. :haha:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733208 - 08/20/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Your man-boobs could be evidence that you actually were.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733223 - 08/20/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The mechanics of it make as much sense to me as being born at all


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733253 - 08/20/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you choose to believe that.  Ten thousand years from this point it'll be irrelevant anyway, so just pick the one that helps you sleep better.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733284 - 08/20/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733288 - 08/20/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There is more evidence for reincarnation than against it. One of the biggest supporting arguments is this thing called physics. You see, you & I & everyone else are made of matter. Matter is energy. Energy can never be destroyed. In this way we never stop existing. Now, when we talk of consciousness things get tricky. Science is at a loss when it comes to explaining exactly what consciousness is, but science agrees that consciousness is real & even where it comes from, per se. Consciousness is the Unified Field & that Unified Field is the zero point of EVERYTHING. Say the Unified Field is like a vast pool & from it comes all manner of things. In fact, nothing doesn't come from this pool & everything that comes from this pool is made of the same substance that makes up the pool. Furthermore, everything that comes from the pool is forever linked to the pool. In fact, though its source is the pool, it never really leaves the pool, because the pool is all there is; there is nothing that is not the pool.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
    #18733311 - 08/20/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18733321 - 08/20/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

in other words.... energy never appears nor disappears e=mc2. I am that I am because I know what I am.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Beanz] * 1
    #18733381 - 08/20/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction.
Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733530 - 08/20/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

For me suspending disbelief in reincarnation is useful as a mindset when thinking about my motives. I don't think evidence would not improve the benefit I get from doing this.


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    #18733552 - 08/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction.
Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted




Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733596 - 08/20/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Heffy said:
So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?



Why so hostile?
Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere.
It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again.
I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life.
Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733616 - 08/20/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why believe anything without pics right?

My main belief is that I don't have any clue what will happen after death. Very likely you die and that's the end of the story.

However, I have had vague..... Inclinations, let's say. They are often contradictory, but ultimately have led me to understand that I don't know very much personally, despite having attempted to stuff myself with knowledge my entire life. I think collectively humanity is in the same state. If one looks back into history you will see that certain groups started civilizations, while most did not. I suppose the "civilized" ones thought themselves the brightest crayons around. Retrospective though... eh..... Not so much.

My point is, any "proof" provided, or not provided on a subject that we don't even have the power to know anything about (if it exists) is moot.

The bottom line is, you don't know, they don't know. No one knows.

You ever died? Even if you did you'd have to come back here, and so be limited again (thoeretically) and not  "remember" anything you would have "learned" on this supposed "other side".

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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #18733694 - 08/20/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what if consciousness only exist when it is surrounded by your energy,
therefore you die and your consciousness dies but your energy goes off
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: urbannerd]
    #18733843 - 08/20/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do yourselves a favor, believers & non-believers, look up John Hagelin & Amit Goswami. If the people who, literally, wrote the books on Quantum Physics & the Unified Field are not enough support for reincarnation (& both can explain it's scientific validity), then your blinders do not allow you to see past what you do not wish to see. They are the leaders in these fields. For those who cannot grasp the above two, Michio Kaku is very good at dumbing things down.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
    #18734047 - 08/20/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Heffy said:
So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?



Why so hostile?
Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere.
It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again.
I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life.
Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.





That's not me being hostile dude. :lol:  That's me being amused.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18734077 - 08/20/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction.
Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted




Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.




Sure thing. A common theme from Hinduism, to Buddhism, Egyptian mysticism and even out to Plato (who cited Egyptian mysticism as his source) is the practice of meditating to remember past lives. Its an experience many people have including myself, after practicing meditation with the intention or generally looking for OBEs. In my own experience it is just like other memories, only on either side of the border of a lifetime it becomes difficult to remember another like remembering a dream, most of us dream every night and forget most of the dreams. Past that the experience is a linear memory.

It can well be argued as a delusion and I can't put an argument to prove that as false anymore than the reverse, but as stated in my first post of this thread there is a reason I give some credence or even belief to my own personal experiences. The reason being that from my perspective this waking life is only a fraction (say 1/3rd) of conscious memory throughout the day. So taking this life and saying it is more real than another is from my own (possibly delusional) perspective the same as saying most of the cities states and countries I've been to weren't real, or most of the days of the week.

Its up to anyone to make what they will of it, but overlooking personal experience which is at the basis of the theory of reincarnation is missing the key aspect of why the belief exists.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18734099 - 08/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If the people who, literally, wrote the books on Quantum Physics & the Unified Field are not enough support for reincarnation (& both can explain it's scientific validity), then your blinders do not allow you to see past what you do not wish to see.




Personally I promote the idea of forming one's own opinion on all matters, and not believing something because another does. They may well have good points on the matter but its well to be skeptical about anyone's beliefs (especially one's own)


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18734127 - 08/20/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?



Why so hostile?
Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere.
It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again.
I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life.
Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.





That's not me being hostile dude. :lol:  That's me being amused.



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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories] * 1
    #18734159 - 08/20/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.




I think the concept of reincarnation does come from personal experience, but the allegorical nature need not lend itself to more mystical explanations. The 'person' living and dying is perhaps the experiences themselves and the resulting memories, sensory and emotive as they are re-experienced. As I pointed out in a recent thread experiences/moments are the perception of events, conceptual things which have a beginning middle and end. There is an awareness of this to be had, not only of the outside world but of the self. Ideas coming and going, people coming and going, motivations, values, possessions, hopes dreams understandings fixations devotions, etc. They all come to an end, most while the body still lives. And yet they're all of a common nature, bound to express themselves again and again. Not just that but we teach by example and thus may keep alive hopes dreams understandings, etc. by passing them on to others.

That's three types of reincarnation no more mystic than reality itself. :laugh:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Rahz]
    #18734178 - 08/20/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well another thought I've had is to consider the way time changes when you're tripping, it can literally slow down just like I'm saying with OBEs. So if one were to work their mind up to having OBEs they may well be experiencing chemical time distortion, rather than being aware of consciousness outside of the waking life.

Is it delusion, is it real? Seems real to me and I hope it is because the experiences can be better than drug experiences, but I acknowledge that they may well not be. Much of the experiences are subjective and that can also indicate a basis in materialism rather than mysticism, but not necessarily


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18734251 - 08/20/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

lol, time doesn't move at all. Slow or fast.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18734314 - 08/20/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know but I've had some pretty real dreams. The brain is crazy man. :awesome:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Rahz]
    #18734332 - 08/20/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It sure it. Time is one of those strange things people tend to think they understand, but simply don't


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
    #18734387 - 08/20/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you don't like it here then don't post. :shrug:  It's been fun.  :hi:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18734416 - 08/20/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Who's not having fun? I was commenting on how trick the mind can be & how much we "think" we know.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18734464 - 08/20/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did I make that reply to you?  No I didn't. That should have been your first clue. :tongue:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18734992 - 08/20/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There seems to be a number of posters here that are ignorant of the total difference between information and energy else they would not even be bringing up physics. Get an education first before presenting stuff you clearly do not understand.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18735072 - 08/20/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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lol, time doesn't move at all. Slow or fast.




Your perception of time changes. If you're having trouble understanding I can bring up some articles on the perception of time and how it can change under the influence of substances.

:fonz:

Lets start here

http://cogprints.org/4034/1/Psychedelic_Neurochemistry2.htm

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A Psychedelic Neurochemistry of Time

By Kim A. Dawson, PhD, R.Psych. (kadawson@mentalhealthconsulting.ca),

Mental Health Consultant,

Private Practice, Chilliwack, BC, Canada

Abstract

An accumulating literature suggests that a wide array of psychedelics can induce potent changes in time perception.Very little is known about the nature of these changes. However, the repeated theme of temporal distortion amongst many archives of psychedelic experiences strongly supports the notion that psychedelic drugs do, in some way, impact the underlying neurochemistry of time perception. This brief paper discusses examples of how psychedelics can change time perception and offers suggestions for further research




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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18735124 - 08/20/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, you can perceive time as moving. We all do, but it does not move, nor do we move through it. & to he who questions my education, I fart in you general direction. You obviously have no clue, because my education is obvious in my understanding of concepts you can't even begin to grasp. I dumb things down a bit, but that's not for me, but you.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18735155 - 08/20/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sure, you can perceive time as moving. We all do, but it does not move, nor do we move through it.




Theoretically, you can think of time as an abstraction or a tangible force of nature like gravity. Practically speaking it doesn't matter


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18739563 - 08/21/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jung was able to identify archetypes in human personalities, Myers and Briggs were able to refine it further to 16 archetypes.

It stands to reason that primitive people were able to intuitively identify some of these archetypes. It also stands to reason that these people would have seemed even more similar, coming from an identical culture which would have been less diverse than the modern globalist culture. Therefore two people, one alive and one dead, who's personalities expressed identical archetypes and who likely had many of the same "favorites" and habits, would easily have provide the basis for reincarnation.

That is the perfectly reasonable reasons that a primitive person would have or might believe in reincarnation.

As for modern people, plbgbgbgb. Who knows? There are people who believe the world is 5k years old.


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