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Hippocampus

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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: tdubz]
#23462413 - 07/21/16 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

tdubz said:

Soul creation and dissolution I think those are in line with the idea behind the ego, the universe is eternal therefore the spirit is eternal there is no start and end point. Terms like beginning and end are "ego" references or conceptions of the flesh (birth and death) as a human.

So, you're saying there are souls, but they have no beginning or end? So no new ones come into being?

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demiu5
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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: tdubz]
#23462860 - 07/21/16 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

tdubz said:

The universe an or parallel universes are eternal IMO the conception of time is a human construct. To date the universe is a rather ignorant fallacy...and to doubt that there could be multiple universes as well.

i wasn't speaking temporally but physically

based on information that this universe is still expanding, means the universe had an origin, quite likely from a zero point (or a metamorphosed state). if, in fact, it did form from a zero point, that would mean that it at one point wasn't, and most likely at another point (temporally and physically) won't be, meaning that it is not eternal

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CosmicJoke
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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23462944 - 07/21/16 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

Let me get this straight: if you were a bad person (and no one can agree what that means) you come back as a lower animal.

Lower animals have no morals and are guided strictly by instinct, yet if they are a good chipmunk (or whatever) they get to come back as a human.

Can I reincarnate as another more highly intelligent being in another galaxy? I've had enough of Earth. Or are you bound by a locus of space and time?

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Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: CosmicJoke]
#23463153 - 07/21/16 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Or are you bound by a locust of space and time?

I suppose you could come back as an alien grasshopper...

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laughingdog
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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#23463276 - 07/21/16 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

Let me get this straight: if you were a bad person (and no one can agree what that means) you come back as a lower animal.

Lower animals have no morals and are guided strictly by instinct, yet if they are a good chipmunk (or whatever) they get to come back as a human.
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..was a Hindu idea. justified treating lower class (untouchables) very badly, and made folks dependent on priests to perform rituals properly, to perfect their 'souls', and insure better 'rebirth'.

How it found it's way into Buddhism is documented here:

"Dependent Arising In Context: the Buddha's core lesson, in the context of his time and ours " by Linda Blanchard
Paperback: 144 pages, ISBN-10: 1481259547 ISBN-13: 978-1481259545

and her website
http://justalittledust.com/blog/?page_id=151
and
http://secularbuddhism.org/2012/05/21/a-secular-understanding-of-dependent-origination-1-ignorance/

Very generally speaking, the Tibetans of course elaborated, the closer to the source: Theravada Buddhism, while the Zen guys tended to pare it down. The Tibetans are still into rebirth in a big way.

The research of Blanchard, Joanna Jurewicz, & Richard F. Gombrich, suggests Buddha himself was using both metaphor and parody, which was later taken literally. Quite interesting archaeology of literature.
His teachings were also transmitted orally for I think 200 years before being written down. Lots of chance for mixups there.

I think the interpretation Linda Blanchard comes up with makes a lot more sense in terms of Buddha's entire teaching and message.

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laughingdog
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Re: Reincarnation

[Re: laughingdog]
#23463306 - 07/21/16 07:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I guess it's also found in various primitive religions, where it gets mixed with ancestor worship, and belief in all kinds of spirits, & odd customs; but I would guess most of us are more familiar with the concept as it comes from India and Tibet, via Hinduism and Buddhism.

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