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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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No, you spot them by noticing that you feel good things when around them.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
That's where you're wrong man.  You're projecting negative traits onto people where you don't need to.  Some people are actually good ones ya know :awesome:



Prove I'm projecting negative traits onto these losers?  Put up or shut up.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
No, you spot them by noticing that you feel good things when around them.



Like Eva Braun felt around Hitler.:braindamage:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Prove I'm projecting negative traits onto these losers? 


please tell me you see the irony in this post


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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enlighten me.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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you're asking me to prove you project negativity on people, and in that very sentence you project negativity onto people by calling them 'losers,' which is a total projection, you don't know what anybody has won or lost in their life :lol:


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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That was a joke. Now prove what you said is true.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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I do know what a scientific theory is, i'm using it conversationally as an idea i've had, chill out on the jargon.

Explain to me the point of deliberately using language imprecisely.

Can we at least agree on that, that hypothetically reincarnation is physically plausible?

Yes. I agree.

The Tooth Fairy living on Venus is too and for the same reason. But critical thinking and Occam render both without merit.

The reason that's important is that if it's possible, we have to take seriously the claims being made by mystics throughout the millenia

That's an Appeal to Authority, probably the most sophomoric of all the fallacies. The fact that you resort to it is a clear indication that your argument is indefensible.

that's like calling it a selection bias that all physicists accept that black holes exist

There is evidence for black holes.

QED


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
No, you spot them by noticing that you feel good things when around them.

Kind of like the Walrus in Alice in Wonderland who coaxed the little oysters into coming with him using his good-natured charm, only before having them for supper? :chew:



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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Poid] * 1
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Jim Jones attracted lots of folks. He was a berry, berry good man.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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The major sects of Buddhism exist because of major differences, and the nature of reincarnation/rebirth is part of those differences. Buddhism exists, as opposed to Hinduism because of major differences in their mystic truths, not just reincarnation. So who is right, who is wrong? You can say they all believe something goes on, but the basic disagreements on what exactly that is, throws the whole possibility that someone (anyone) is right into turmoil, because obviously for one side it is just subjective interpretations that satisfy their mind and feelings about the matter. Why not the other side too?

People convince themselves, and not just through rational discourse. The mind cannot know the truth, at best it can only know what works to satisfy it's own goals. When dealing with the mystic, none of it is 'true' as far as we know, though it may sometimes produce desired results in the material world, or it may make sense in that it satisfies other psychological parameters. This can create a profound sense of interaction with the ultimate reality.

Doesn't mean it's true, or makes sense. I have offered several types of rebirth which do make sense. They get discarded because they aren't mystical enough.:lol:


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Rahz]
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Diploid said:
I do know what a scientific theory is, i'm using it conversationally as an idea i've had, chill out on the jargon.

Explain to me the point of deliberately using language imprecisely.

Can we at least agree on that, that hypothetically reincarnation is physically plausible?

Yes. I agree.

The Tooth Fairy living on Venus is too and for the same reason. But critical thinking and Occam render both without merit.


Okay! But we don't have mystics from many different cultures saying the tooth fairy lives on venus. And plus it's not nearly as intuitively agreeable.

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The reason that's important is that if it's possible, we have to take seriously the claims being made by mystics throughout the millenia

That's an Appeal to Authority, probably the most sophomoric of all the fallacies. The fact that you resort to it is a clear indication that your argument is indefensible.


I'm just saying that spirituality is obviously a titanically influential phenomenon, and we should seriously investigate what the people at the heart of it say.  Is that illogical? You've got your head twisted with academic BS if that's how you think.

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Jim Jones attracted lots of folks. He was a berry, berry good man.


Ya so did charles manson.  Trust me I know all about cults. And people like that are amazing beings, in a twisted sense.  I guess you just have to be able to recognize people that are extremely charismatic, and people who actually have goodwill towards others. There's a difference.  A real sage will bring peace to your mind and heart just with his words and presence.  Lots of people run from their reaction to people like this because of paranoid ego control.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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Who have you actually met in person who's words have this effect on you?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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not in person.

youtube. mooji. Others to a lesser degree.

actually i did see the dalai lama in person and he seemed very peaceful, wasn't quite the same thing though.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:A real sage will bring peace to your mind and heart just with his words and presence.


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Icelander said:
Who have you actually met in person who's words have this effect on you?


guruu said:
not in person.

youtube. mooji. Others to a lesser degree.

actually i did see the dalai lama in person and he seemed very peaceful, wasn't quite the same thing though.


It's a matter of deeply loving and trusting another person, and then that person will appear as a "sage" to you.

Certainly, some persons are easier to adore and worship than others. But most of their "sainthood" will always reside in you own mind.

Lastly, don't underestimate the power of the crowd acting in some sort of unison. Where this power comes from I don't know, but maybe it's part of our evolutionary past to easily become hypnotized when many people are moving together some how. If you're in the midst of ecstatic worshipers dancing at the feet of their "master", chances are, if you're the least bit susceptible, you'll start dancing and feeling the touch of God yourself.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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Well it's that love and trust, combined with what they're saying, how powerful it is in enacting spiritual change.  Sainthood is a very real phenomenon, one who is completely merged in the self. Of course, there's no ego there, so anything you see in a saint is indeed a projection from your own mind.

As far as the crowd, yes there is a sort of collective energy that forms, anybody who's dropped acid at a music festival can tell you that.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru] * 1
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guruu said:
Well it's that love and trust, combined with what they're saying, how powerful it is in enacting spiritual change.  Sainthood is a very real phenomenon, one who is completely merged in the self. Of course, there's no ego there, so anything you see in a saint is indeed a projection from your own mind.


You have some very naive ideas about the concept of "sainthood" and persons who are "merged in the self" and have "no ego". And if you don't scrutinize them critically you might end up wasting time, money or worse. They're all just concepts and these concepts have no real empirical meaning. Someone doesn't have an ego? What the hell does that mean? Think about it for a few minutes instead of just swallowing everything from the books.

I've been where you are, and it led to time and money waste!

But - fare well whatever path you take. :heart:

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
not in person.

youtube. mooji. Others to a lesser degree.

actually i did see the dalai lama in person and he seemed very peaceful, wasn't quite the same thing though.


  So you know what being in their presence is like without ever having been there. Makes sense to me.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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I assume actually being around him would be a more intense experience then watching a video of him.  Even just from the video you still catch a vibe.  It makes perfect sense.

amuzakat said:
guruu said:
Well it's that love and trust, combined with what they're saying, how powerful it is in enacting spiritual change.  Sainthood is a very real phenomenon, one who is completely merged in the self. Of course, there's no ego there, so anything you see in a saint is indeed a projection from your own mind.


You have some very naive ideas about the concept of "sainthood" and persons who are "merged in the self" and have "no ego". And if you don't scrutinize them critically you might end up wasting time, money or worse. They're all just concepts and these concepts have no real empirical meaning. Someone doesn't have an ego? What the hell does that mean? Think about it for a few minutes instead of just swallowing everything from the books.

I've been where you are, and it led to time and money waste!

But - fare well whatever path you take. :heart:


Lol what? I don't waste money on spirituality, it's the one thing that costs no money at all.  I watch mooji videos on youtube for free.  And believe me when I say I know exactly what it means to be merged in the self. It's just being here now, in the moment. And staying there.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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Staying where?

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