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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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nothing i'm just arguing with orgone


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: Icelander]
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According to fufuu, being an elite athlete does not require any form of concentration. :shrug:


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
There you go with the shifting target. You have changed your claim mid-stream and then added the no True Scotsman fallacy. Fail and fail again.


you are obviously not the true scotsman :lol:


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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1/8th Irish. :cheers:


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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8/7ths  bs. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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these people meditate for insane amounts of time, and have much clearer perceptions than you or I

And if someone else "meditated for insane amounts of time" and came to the conclusions that reincarnation is bullshit, would you give up the idea?

My guess is no. Because people who buy into this shit only accept the pronouncements that jive with their pre-conclusions.

If God himself came to the Earth and stated that reincarnation is bullshit, he'd be run out of town by the people who follow "masters who are like 10000x your average intelligence".


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Diploid]
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I would take it much more seriously. But there aren't many spiritual masters out there who disregard reincarnation.  I have looked into quite a few of them.


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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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You could at least respond to what i said.  I just typed up a whole damn theory there, and you're just gonna call it nonsense.

OK, I'll respond to that.

First, it's not a theory. Where did you study science?

Second, what you said reduces to "what if pink elephants fall from the sky?"

Gravity permeates the universe and connects every atom to every other atom. So does the EM field. For that matter so do the nuclear forces and quark confinement. So what? It makes no sense to state these features of the universe then jump to an unrelated pet conclusion that these things exist, therefore reincarnation.

You stated a physical process, entanglement, then jumped a giant chasm to a completely arbitrary conclusion.

Yes, entanglement might mean immortality, just like the tooth fairy might live in a nice condo on Venus.

But is that likely or reasonable or follow in any sort of rational way? No.

Edit: Oh, and for someone who claims to have "studied physics at college level" I'm a bit surprised you don't know what a theory is.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: g00ru]
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But there aren't many spiritual masters out there who disregard reincarnation.

Selection bias.

No one who disagrees with your pre-conclusions do you consider a "spiritual master". :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Diploid]
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I meditated 30 minutes twice a day for 10 years and studied under Yogananda's direct disciple, Swami Kriyanda.

Can I now levitate and read minds and auras? Can I talk to angelic realms and astral travel? Can I peer beyond death?

No, but I can think critically. :shrug:

But then again, I am not a 'true' meditator and studied under the 'wrong' Master.


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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
No, but I can think critically. :shrug:

Were you not able to before your meditation phase? :levitate:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Poid]
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Sure, but I have to pretend I gained some sort of power to appease readers convinced that regularly sitting still is something highly desirable and endows one with special gifts.


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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sure, but I have to pretend I gained some sort of power to appease readers convinced that regularly sitting still is something highly desirable and endows one with special gifts.


In a way it's pretty amazing that people don't understand the basic idea of meditation, that this is the one and only thing that is supposed to lead to absolutely nothing, no powers, no money, no fame, no women, no good ideas, no nothing.:sun:

Quite on the contrary it's often all turned into some sort of megalomaniac ego fulfilment fantasy that's so crazy one should have thought it was something Hollywood came up with for some S.F. B movie.:crazy2:

If you can make anyone stop entertaining those illusions then you will have accomplished something very worth while. :thumbup:

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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amuzakat said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sure, but I have to pretend I gained some sort of power to appease readers convinced that regularly sitting still is something highly desirable and endows one with special gifts.


In a way it's pretty amazing that people don't understand the basic idea of meditation, that this is the one and only thing that is supposed to lead to absolutely nothing, no powers, no money, no fame, no women, no good ideas, no nothing.:sun::

Hmm, sounds pretty horrible. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Poid] * 2
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sounds kind of peaceful to me


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
amuzakat said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sure, but I have to pretend I gained some sort of power to appease readers convinced that regularly sitting still is something highly desirable and endows one with special gifts.


In a way it's pretty amazing that people don't understand the basic idea of meditation, that this is the one and only thing that is supposed to lead to absolutely nothing, no powers, no money, no fame, no women, no good ideas, no nothing.:sun::

Hmm, sounds pretty horrible. :shrug:


Horrible indeed, but sitting there in the belief you're going to achieve something that way, is much more horrible: Self-deception. :crazy2:

The worst part is that if your belief is strong enough that you will achieve something, it could become self-fulfilling, and cause your mind to start thinking you already got sort of "enlightened" or whatever. :eek:

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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I became enlightened without meditation.  How cool is that?:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Why reincarnation doesn't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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Yeah there is no goal during meditation except to for once do nothing! The point is to put everything down and simply be, this make it possible for your mind to slow down. The mind forgets about all the bullshit. This does have benifits though as now once you pick everything back up again you are refreshed and re-invigorated.

However it also depends on the type of meditation. You can meditate on particular subject matter so that your mind is so intensely engrossed that all things irrelevant are excluded from thought. This brings an increasingly deeper level of understanding of the concept at hand.

I think meditating on the emptiness is form, form is emptiness paradox (the heart sutra) can bring one closer to understanding the reality of rebirth. Also dependent origination is key.

"All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else. "

No individual facts will make you believe in rebirth it requires having a new perspective on what already is, seeing the whole in a different way.

You have to see that reality is actually ONE thing. All things are within everything and everything is ONE thing.


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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: amuzakat]
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amuzakat said:
Poid said:
amuzakat said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Sure, but I have to pretend I gained some sort of power to appease readers convinced that regularly sitting still is something highly desirable and endows one with special gifts.


In a way it's pretty amazing that people don't understand the basic idea of meditation, that this is the one and only thing that is supposed to lead to absolutely nothing, no powers, no money, no fame, no women, no good ideas, no nothing.:sun::

Hmm, sounds pretty horrible. :shrug:


Horrible indeed, but sitting there in the belief you're going to achieve something that way, is much more horrible: Self-deception. :crazy2:

The worst part is that if your belief is strong enough that you will achieve something, it could become self-fulfilling, and cause your mind to start thinking you already got sort of "enlightened" or whatever. :eek:



haha:laugh2::awebig:

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Re: Why reincarnation dosen't make sense... [Re: Don Juan]
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Sounds like death to me.  I'll just wait for that.


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