soldatheero said:

I did not mean to say that the mind causes the body.

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Emotion, memory, experience, personality are all by-products of the self. Which is - the realization of the self in the moment.

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I just mean that without conscious experience or without self there would be no personality and no experience and therefore no memories to be had. So just because these things vanish doesn't necessarily mean the real you vanishes, since they are superficial.

My point is that you are merely the realization of your own self. You are not the brain that causes the realization.

So when the link with this body is severed and I physically die. A new brain will cause the realization of myself to continue and I will not know the difference.

It's kind of like how your body is pulsing in and out of existence every second, in a sense you die with each breathe yet you keep coming back. That is why the Buddha said a human life lasts a single breathe.

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soldatheero said:

What? All healthy human brains produce self-awareness.

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soldatheero said:

What? All healthy human brains produce self-awareness.

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My atoms will be recycled, but to say my consciousness will somehow continue is on par with the other world religions IMO.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

andrewss said:

My soul is beautiful, no matter what you say, your words can't bring me down

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Scribbles down words and starts humming. May be a song in here somewhere...

You sir, are a pessious and eunich snowflake - or some kind of flake.

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topdog82 said:

I struggle to fathom the idea that anybody can be "reborn"

When I say "I", I am referring to me as a body, as well as my thinking process, personality, possessions, and experiences
So "I" is really a collection of all the things that make a body+brain into a talking, thinking person.
So every second, we are collecting new experiences, and this "I" changes with every moment and event which I experience

To say that "I" will be reborn into say, a storeclerk named Joe, is illogical
The only way that I can be reborn, is if all of my possessions, experiences, personality, and thoughts would be applied to a newborn baby as it comes out the womb

I am probably not being clear, but if you understand what I saying, and agree/disagree, try and explain it a bit better than I did as well as your reasoning for your opinion

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Yith said:

topdog82 said:

I struggle to fathom the idea that anybody can be "reborn"

When I say "I", I am referring to me as a body, as well as my thinking process, personality, possessions, and experiences
So "I" is really a collection of all the things that make a body+brain into a talking, thinking person.
So every second, we are collecting new experiences, and this "I" changes with every moment and event which I experience

To say that "I" will be reborn into say, a storeclerk named Joe, is illogical
The only way that I can be reborn, is if all of my possessions, experiences, personality, and thoughts would be applied to a newborn baby as it comes out the womb

I am probably not being clear, but if you understand what I saying, and agree/disagree, try and explain it a bit better than I did as well as your reasoning for your opinion

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If someone believes in reincarnation do you actually think what they are implying when they claim "I will be reborn" is that they believe it is just their consciousness being transplanted from the moment they die?

You're just picking apart language not reincarnation.

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CycleThoughts said:

The idea of reincarnation is about as vague as the idea of God.

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topdog82 said:

I struggle to fathom the idea that anybody can be "reborn"

When I say "I", I am referring to me as a body, as well as my thinking process, personality, possessions, and experiences
So "I" is really a collection of all the things that make a body+brain into a talking, thinking person.
So every second, we are collecting new experiences, and this "I" changes with every moment and event which I experience

To say that "I" will be reborn into say, a storeclerk named Joe, is illogical
The only way that I can be reborn, is if all of my possessions, experiences, personality, and thoughts would be applied to a newborn baby as it comes out the womb

I am probably not being clear, but if you understand what I saying, and agree/disagree, try and explain it a bit better than I did as well as your reasoning for your opinion

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However, all your thoughts and habits from this life will regroup (they're called skandas) regroup so the new person will share your traits.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

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However, all your thoughts and habits from this life will regroup (they're called skandas) regroup so the new person will share your traits.

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And you know this how? (Not that I expect a real answer.)

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Kickle said:

Because they are energetic imprints. Energy doesn't disappear when you die, it just takes a new form.

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