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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Yeah, fun stuff.


Really shows you the "what-ifs"

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
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Lots of those. Don't forget the bible.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Lots of those. Don't forget the bible.:lol:


:rofl2:

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
That's why I like "Tao" No creator just creation itself.


I vaguely knew what the Tao was until I read a little more about it, and that's what I've had in mind when I say God. Is Tao all of existence? or is it some source that existence originates from? Though it seems like if it's the trees and the mountains that could lead to idolatry of the Tao

"While the Tao cannot be expressed, Taoism holds that it can be known"


I think the idea of God as a grey bearded man may be one of the most spiritually stifling beliefs one can have.

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Simulacra541]
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"While the Tao cannot be expressed, Taoism holds that it can be known"


Totally incorrect as far as I known.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Simulacra541]
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Simulacra541 said:
I think the idea of God as a grey bearded man may be one of the most spiritually stifling beliefs one can have.


Definitely.

:handth:

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:

"While the Tao cannot be expressed, Taoism holds that it can be known"


Totally incorrect as far as I known.


The left-brain intellectual understanding can only touch the surface of it...

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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It goes something like. "The tao that can be known is not the eternal Tao"


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Although I don't think it can be known, perhaps I'm just getting caught on the semantics. I believe the Tao can be lived when the knower dissolves into the Tao.

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
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You cannot help but live the Tao no matter what your condition or perception. You are Tao. Your manifestation and experience is called little tao. It can be known within the boundaries of the self. The Ultimate Tao however cannot be fathomed ever by anyone.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
The Ultimate Tao however cannot be fathomed ever by anyone.


Agreed, but what I'm talking about it not a fathoming, but a being.

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Right but as I said everyone is being. Everyone feels being in their own way. In the Tao it's all the same. For ones personal experience of little tao of course some ways may be preferred.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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IMO, the little tao, ego, is not being.

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Little tao is more than just ego. It's everything we can know and experience as animals.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Icelander]
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But the experiencer is always the ego.

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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The ego is the interpreter of experience.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Quote:
But the experiencer is always the ego.


I cant help but disagree with this statement....

I think the commentator and analyzer is the ego.
The experiencer is the self/awareness.

Being in the Now, means loosing the commentator, and just letting the self experience the tao through unfiltered perception.

Meaning....the true unfiltered "experiencer", cannot possibly be the ego.

Trying to interpret the experience, of course, thats the ego, which can NEVER, EVER express in words/ideas what the self experienced during those moments of complete absorption into pure awareness.


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z -> z*z + c  = GOD

“Your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs, I see through you.”

MUSHROOMS ARE IN SYMBIOTIC EVOLUTION WITH HUMANS.
JUST LIKE ORCHIDS MIMIC THE BEES THAT POLLINATE THEM, MUSHROOMS MIMIC VARIOUS HUMAN ANATOMY.  THEY ARE OUR EVOLUTIONARY BIRTHRIGHT!! 


Edited by Holoverse (07/10/10 05:53 PM)

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Re: Universe without God vs. universe with God [Re: Holoverse]
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I agree with you. I was trying to put the experiencer (ego) in the context of the little Tao... errr I'm getting too drunk to express my ideas coherently.

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