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blinkybill
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Suffering

#12855028 - 07/06/10 05:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does suffering enrich us?

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" ... and then there are the unknown unknowns. Those things that we don't know that we don't know that we don't know."

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12855120 - 07/06/10 06:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't know about "us" but your suffering could possibly be enriching.

Taking my shoes off this afternoon was enriching.

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Re: Suffering

[Re: Mufungo]
#12855151 - 07/06/10 06:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Too an extent, maybe.

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12855230 - 07/06/10 08:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you learn from it

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Icelander
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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12855379 - 07/06/10 09:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

blinkybill said:

Does suffering enrich us?

It can and it can also brake us.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12856148 - 07/06/10 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

On the way to discovering what we love, we will find everything we hate, everything that blocks our path to what we desire.

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blinkybill
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Re: Suffering

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#12859512 - 07/07/10 12:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And is that enriching? I'm thinking about the ol' 'no pain, no gain' philosophy that appears to have found common currency among the smug and comfortable classes. It strikes me that most suffering is completely useless. Something that most of us, or at least many of us, spend much of our lives avoiding.

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12859527 - 07/07/10 12:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pain is a reality, suffering is a choice.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12859576 - 07/07/10 12:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Icelander said:

Pain is a reality, suffering is a choice.

you must be referring to the horrible dictatorship and impoverished people of the u.s.a that so many on here love?

Edited by CaptainCrunch (07/07/10 12:55 AM)

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Re: Suffering

[Re: CaptainCrunch]
#12859604 - 07/07/10 12:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

go away

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12859629 - 07/07/10 01:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no.

:hissyfit:

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Icelander
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Re: Suffering

[Re: CaptainCrunch]
#12859672 - 07/07/10 01:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Try the political forum, they love that shit.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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blinkybill
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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12859898 - 07/07/10 02:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Icelander said:

Pain is a reality, suffering is a choice.

Unfortunately we can be made to suffer. Hence the phrase made to suffer. Nevertheless, we can choose to suffer.

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12860516 - 07/07/10 06:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What's this "we" nonsense.

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Re: Suffering

[Re: blinkybill]
#12860878 - 07/07/10 10:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

blinkybill said:

Icelander said:

Pain is a reality, suffering is a choice.

Unfortunately we can be made to suffer. Hence the phrase made to suffer. Nevertheless, we can choose to suffer.

No one can make you suffer but yourself. Pain however is usually not optional unless youre a cutter. :lol:

:lol:

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12861441 - 07/07/10 01:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Viktor Frankl

A person who has a right to speak about suffering.

"It was due to his and others' suffering in these camps that he came to his hallmark conclusion that even in the most absurd, painful and dehumanized situation, life has potential meaning and that therefore even suffering is meaningful. This conclusion served as a strong basis for Frankl's logotherapy. An example of Frankl's idea of finding meaning in the midst of extreme suffering is found in his account of an experience he had while working in the harsh conditions of the Auschwitz concentration camp:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl

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Re: Suffering

[Re: CaptainCrunch]
#12861696 - 07/07/10 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

According to da Buddha, and I agree, suffering is caused by attachment. Attachment to things being other than they actually are.

The camp dude was talking about pain imo.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Budske
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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12861880 - 07/07/10 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Icelander said:

According to da Buddha, and I agree, suffering is caused by attachment. Attachment to things being other than they actually are.

The camp dude was talking about pain imo.

pain is suffering

even after buddha was "enlightened" bad stuff still happened, his homeland was invaded and pillaged

he just learned how to roll with the punches better

Edited by Budske (07/07/10 03:09 PM)

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Re: Suffering

[Re: Budske]
#12861995 - 07/07/10 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong

:tongue:

, read what the Buddha said.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Budske
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Re: Suffering

[Re: Icelander]
#12862714 - 07/07/10 06:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:blush:

got me there, I guess I shouldnt contradict under the influence

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