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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: BluePixieWaves]
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BluePixieWaves said:
Are society today is full of well idiots and mindless people who can not think for themselves or make there own decisions. Why is this? Are we just a dumb race? No. The reason we have these bottom feeders in our society is because are government protects them. They put warnings out for them and manipulate there thinking. Drones are what many people have become. I have a simple solution. Anarchy is this solution. Without the mind control of big businesses and the government people would be born into intelligent. The dumb people would die off and natural selection would begin. People would trade and make there own way of living. Only families would be units. Trading grounds would be places for human interaction where new families can be made. Art would be traded and given round. Sure chaos may ensue but that is where natural selection comes in. What do think?



What do I think? I think you're an elitist. I also think you don't realize that anarchy would only further divide the rich and the poor, eventually causing most middle class people to either rise up to "rich" status or die off.

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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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I just want to be freeeeeeeee, but I also want the infustructure that civization has brought to meeeeeeeeeee.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: NortonStPhallus]
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anarcho-capitalism FTW. As limited beings, we must seek a social arrangement with the most tolerable imperfections. To talk about what may "work" or not must be qualified by details.

Government certainly hasn't worked; it institutionalizes civil war (interest groups competing for stolen--"taxed"--goods). Economically, in a democracy, there is no incentive for good laws, only bad laws (as self-interested humans, most persons will pursue legislation for their own gain--e.g., tariffs or subsidies). Consider the annual billions of tax dollars given to the sugar industry in the USA: there is a concentrated benefit to those producers, but there is a dispersed cost among all of our citizens (i.e., the subsidized industry has much to gain, but I have little to lose), so will us voters ever put up a fight for that stolen $5 we individually face a year? Nope.

Additionally, voting itself is a public good (hence most citizens are rationally ignorant).

For those that defend "self-government" via democratic means, ask your neighbor (or yourself) to name your congressman. We cannot entrust power (the State is a legitimized monopoly of coercion) to "representatives" we cannot even name.

We fret and fret about "monopolies," but then we always shout for further growth of the largest monopoly our nation has: the government.

To quote Hans-Hermann Hoppe, "Two of the most widely accepted propositions among political economists and political philosophers are the following:

First: Every 'monopoly' is 'bad' from the viewpoint of consumers. Monopoly here is understood in its classical sense as an exclusive privilege granted to a single producer of a commodity or service; i.e., as the absence of 'free entry' into a particular line of production. In other words, only one agency, A, may produce a given good, x. Any such monopolist is 'bad' for consumers because, shielded from potential new entrants into his area of production, the price of his product x will be higher and the quality of x lower than otherwise.

Second, the production of security must be undertaken by and is the primary function of government. Here, security is understood in the wide sense adopted in the Declaration of Independence: as the protection of life, property (liberty), and the pursuit of happiness from domestic violence (crime) as well as external (foreign) aggression (war). In accordance with generally accepted terminology, government is defined as a territorial monopoly of law and order (the ultimate decision maker and enforcer).

That both propositions are clearly incompatible has rarely caused concern among economists and philosophers, and in so far as it has, the typical reaction has been one of taking exception to the first proposition rather than the second."

There's an easy solution to many of our social ills: privatize everything! :wink:


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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Titus_Pullo said:
BluePixieWaves said:
Are society today is full of well idiots and mindless people who can not think for themselves or make there own decisions. Why is this? Are we just a dumb race? No. The reason we have these bottom feeders in our society is because are government protects them. They put warnings out for them and manipulate there thinking. Drones are what many people have become. I have a simple solution. Anarchy is this solution. Without the mind control of big businesses and the government people would be born into intelligent. The dumb people would die off and natural selection would begin. People would trade and make there own way of living. Only families would be units. Trading grounds would be places for human interaction where new families can be made. Art would be traded and given round. Sure chaos may ensue but that is where natural selection comes in. What do think?



What do I think? I think you're an elitist. I also think you don't realize that anarchy would only further divide the rich and the poor, eventually causing most middle class people to either rise up to "rich" status or die off.


Why is "income inequality" intrinsically a "bad"?

If your absolute income rises due to economic growth, you are necessarily wealthier--even if others are gaining wealth at a faster rate. If wealth is generated meritocratically (not always the case, I know: consider tariffs or income redistribution), then on what grounds can it be consfiscated for your wealth-reducing ideals?

Let me boil this down: if a "poor" person, due to economic growth, gains $25,000 more income a year while many wealther people gain $100,000 more, on what grounds is this undesirable?


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: PIHKAL]
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No, it really wouldn't. The uneducated masses are needed in order for society to function as it does. :thumbdown:


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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FuckinVirgin said:
No, it really wouldn't. The uneducated masses are needed in order for society to function as it does. :thumbdown:


And how will the "uneducated masses" not be properly organized and utilized in an anarchic society?

Here's the thing about the idea of "anarchy": any person using the term must ably describe what social institutions would be destroyed, preserved, or generated once society is fully stateless. There's a whole menu to choose from: anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, and of course, the correct ideology: anarcho-capitalism, among other variants.

At its core, anarchism is simply a rejection of government. Nothing more. And government, of course, "is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" (Bastiat).


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: PIHKAL]
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PIHKAL said:
FuckinVirgin said:
No, it really wouldn't. The uneducated masses are needed in order for society to function as it does. :thumbdown:


And how will the "uneducated masses" not be properly organized and utilized in an anarchic society?

Here's the thing about the idea of "anarchy": any person using the term must ably describe what social institutions would be destroyed, preserved, or generated once society is fully stateless. There's a whole menu to choose from: anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, and of course, the correct ideology: anarcho-capitalism, among other variants.

At its core, anarchism is simply a rejection of government. Nothing more. And government, of course, "is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" (Bastiat).


I don't think you quite realize how much the world currently relies on central governance.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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FuckinVirgin said:
PIHKAL said:
FuckinVirgin said:
No, it really wouldn't. The uneducated masses are needed in order for society to function as it does. :thumbdown:


And how will the "uneducated masses" not be properly organized and utilized in an anarchic society?

Here's the thing about the idea of "anarchy": any person using the term must ably describe what social institutions would be destroyed, preserved, or generated once society is fully stateless. There's a whole menu to choose from: anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, and of course, the correct ideology: anarcho-capitalism, among other variants.

At its core, anarchism is simply a rejection of government. Nothing more. And government, of course, "is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" (Bastiat).


I don't think you quite realize how much the world currently relies on central governance.


Oh, I certainly do; I just don't consider that contamination to be incurable. Most functions of the government (e.g., schools, roads, police, etc.) have been privately produced before being usurped by Statist monopolists, and I suspect those same functions can be privatized once again (although, of course, I would approach this incrementally, rather than an all-at-once revolution).

To be sure, I also don't oppose governance qua law and order; I simply don't believe a socialist organization for collective action is necessary to achieve societal order.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: PIHKAL]
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PIHKAL said:
Most functions of the government (e.g., schools, roads, police, etc.) have been privately produced before being usurped by Statist monopolists, and I suspect those same functions can be privatized once again (although, of course, I would approach this incrementally, rather than an all-at-once revolution).


Yeah, farms used to be plowed by oxen too. What's your point?


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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FuckinVirgin said:
PIHKAL said:
Most functions of the government (e.g., schools, roads, police, etc.) have been privately produced before being usurped by Statist monopolists, and I suspect those same functions can be privatized once again (although, of course, I would approach this incrementally, rather than an all-at-once revolution).


Yeah, farms used to be plowed by oxen too. What's your point


:laugh: That not all change can be considered beneficial.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: PIHKAL]
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PIHKAL said:
FuckinVirgin said:
PIHKAL said:
Most functions of the government (e.g., schools, roads, police, etc.) have been privately produced before being usurped by Statist monopolists, and I suspect those same functions can be privatized once again (although, of course, I would approach this incrementally, rather than an all-at-once revolution).


Yeah, farms used to be plowed by oxen too. What's your point


:laugh: That not all change can be considered beneficial.


Sure, not everything that's been established in the past 300 years is great, but it is a futile effort to state that the overall advancement has had a positive effect on human society.

Now, that's an entirely different discussion altogether, but the point remains that society has reached a point in development(well, long ago really) that prevents any large scale reversion back to decentralized, locally based governance.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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FuckinVirgin said:
PIHKAL said:
FuckinVirgin said:
PIHKAL said:
Most functions of the government (e.g., schools, roads, police, etc.) have been privately produced before being usurped by Statist monopolists, and I suspect those same functions can be privatized once again (although, of course, I would approach this incrementally, rather than an all-at-once revolution).


Yeah, farms used to be plowed by oxen too. What's your point


:laugh: That not all change can be considered beneficial.


Sure, not everything that's been established in the past 300 years is great, but it is a futile effort to state that the overall advancement has had a positive effect on human society.

Now, that's an entirely different discussion altogether, but the point remains that society has reached a point in development(well, long ago really) that prevents any large scale reversion back to decentralized, locally based governance.


I'm not even sure I am asking for "locally based governance"; there can be a Walmart-style production of law enforcement, for instance; my key point is that the instituional incentives of a private business (e.g., profit-maximization, cost-effectiveness, competition, etc.) are better than the institutional incentives of a public government (e.g., bureaucracy, logrolling, corporatism, wealth redistributism, cost-ineffectiveness, voter ignorance, etc.). By privatizing the functions of government, those services will be delivered more efficiently (in an economic sense).

Our world is ever-changing; no institution can claim permanence.


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: PIHKAL]
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PIHKAL said:I'm not even sure I am asking for "locally based governance"; there can be a Walmart-style production of law enforcement, for instance; my key point is that the instituional incentives of a private business (e.g., profit-maximization, cost-effectiveness, competition, etc.) are better than the institutional incentives of a public government (e.g., bureaucracy, logrolling, corporatism, wealth redistributism, cost-ineffectiveness, voter ignorance, etc.). By privatizing the functions of government, those services will be delivered more efficiently (in an economic sense).

Our world is ever-changing; no institution can claim permanence.




That's not as chic as pretending to subscribe to some offbeat leftist movement though. :wink:


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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:grin:


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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: BluePixieWaves]
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Once were all Buddhas. Then, yes, anarachy will work. It will be anarchy in the sense that there will no longer be any governments because there will no longer be a, NEED, in governments governing the citizens. We will all just simply govern ourselves. 12/21/2012 at 11:11.......... All will change.


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To those that don't know me, I am your guide. To those that don't like me, I am misunderstood.To those that don't see me, open your eyes, I am there. To those that don't hear me, listen, I am talking. To those that know me, I AM.

> "Some call me the gangster of LOVE"......... - Steve Miller

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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: AtomicShroom98] * 1
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Personalisms are not allowed in the forum.


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Edited by Lakefingers (06/23/10 02:38 AM)

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Re: Anarchy Would Work. [Re: FuckinVirgin]
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:lol:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
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Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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