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Crumist
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Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I'm not sure what makes "turn the other cheek" or nonviolence a myth. Grasping at the moral high ground has worked numerous times throughout history (early Christians in Rome, Ghandi, MLK, and many more)
And where do all these claims of "anarchy has been tried numerous times and doesn't work" come from? There are numerous intentional living communities around the world that have an anarchist philosophy and are doing just fine. Again there are larger historical examples in Spain, Ukraine, the Barbary Coast, and more.
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Crumist said: Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. I'm not sure what makes "turn the other cheek" or nonviolence a myth. Grasping at the moral high ground has worked numerous times throughout history (early Christians in Rome, Ghandi, MLK, and many more)
And where do all these claims of "anarchy has been tried numerous times and doesn't work" come from? There are numerous intentional living communities around the world that have an anarchist philosophy and are doing just fine. Again there are larger historical examples in Spain, Ukraine, the Barbary Coast, and more.
However, self-defense is just as much a moral good as any. If someone was likely about to be raped, should they "lose their eye" for the sake of nonviolence or take their aggressor's head?
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Crumist
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There is a big difference between self defense, and "tit for tat", which I understood you were advocating for in your mobster scenario. Raping or murdering a rapist long after the fact in retribution is pointedly different than killing them in self defense.
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You/re right, a community-managed court based on natural law could deal with justice. However, executing a murderer who did not kill in self defence or a rapist who has not been rehabilitated by their own means or charitable donation with irrefutable evidence that they committed these crimes would be much more fair and affordable anyways. If a mob was engaging in open warfare with a community, courts would be disrupted, and "tit for tat" would be the likely scenario, as it is in any violent encounter between small groups. The difference being that the same standard would apply to the anarchist society. Civilians and children killed during battle would get as much justice possible, whether or not the perpetrator received trial.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Anarchy would be a shit show dystopian night mare run-a-muk. I personally believe in very little or bare bones government involvement in our lives. However things like laws, law enforcement are necessary for society to function in a country like the US which has 300+ million people in it. After spending so much time in "the hood" during my heroin/crack addiction days I have an appreciation for social order. "The hood" is about as close to anarchy I've ever seen in the united states and when anything can pop off at anytime it's not a good feeling to have.
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DividedQuantum
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Cognitive_Shift said: Anarchy would be a shit show dystopian night mare run-a-muk. I personally believe in very little or bare bones government involvement in our lives. However things like laws, law enforcement are necessary for society to function in a country like the US which has 300+ million people in it. After spending so much time in "the hood" during my heroin/crack addiction days I have an appreciation for social order. "The hood" is about as close to anarchy I've ever seen in the united states and when anything can pop off at anytime it's not a good feeling to have.
That's very much in line with what I've been arguing. Thanks for the contribution.
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