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#4724765 - 09/28/05 10:29 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got into a debate today about anarchy. Personally, I believe it cannot exist and here is the framework for this logic:
1) People depend on each other for survival. This is why social roles (jobs) have always existed. 2) Goods will vary in quality, and workmanship, and so is factored into price and the quantity available (crappy goods are more simple to produce). 3) Retribution and violence is far too hardwired into our minds.
These 3 conditions are what regulates everything in society. You dont want a crappy 1982 Volkswagen, you'd much rather have a brand new Porsche. If a group of ruffians steal your Porsche you'll probably want to seek revenge. This will probably end in gang violence. See the logic? This very simple scenario happens on a wide-scale and culminates to what we call government.
In my personal opinion, it is glaringly obvious that anarchy cannot exist. Or rather, cannot exist for more than a brief moment after turning into communism.
Any supporters of anarchy?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4724772 - 09/28/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe anarchy can exist. I do not believe most people would WANT it to exist however. Most are comfortable in their current social roles and do not wish to have to be responsible for their own security.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: daimyo]
#4724782 - 09/28/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, thats a fair opinion.
Buuuut.... how could an anarchy based system possibly exist?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: daimyo]
#4724787 - 09/28/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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ever heard of "The Selfish Gene?"
all 3 of your points, but more specifically
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3) Retribution and violence is far too hardwired into our minds.
seems very related.. but also very controversial
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4724789 - 09/28/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's your definition of anarchy?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: daimyo]
#4724798 - 09/28/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The absense of government aka social regulation.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: kotik]
#4724802 - 09/28/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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kotik,
Go live in a cave TOTALLY independant, and see how you appreciate modern living.
The point being, you depend on me to live. However insignificant it may be you still do. And, if I wrong you you will seek revenge, unless of course I'm free to do whatever I want with no consequence? In that, case I'll begin raping and pillaging the masses! Sounds like fun!
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4724814 - 09/28/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: In my personal opinion, it is glaringly obvious that anarchy cannot exist. Or rather, cannot exist for more than a brief moment after turning into communism.
Actually I could see Anarchy devolving into something more along the lines of a dictatorship, where one group would control all the resources to the disadvantage and exploitation of other groups.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4724817 - 09/28/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The absense of government aka social regulation.
Is that an absence of all government or all existing government?
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scribble,
"The absense of political authority," which loosely translates into the absense of all authority, altogether.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4724875 - 09/28/05 11:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anarchy can exist, it is just a matter of how long. Eventually a force will establish itself as dominant and dictate to others. Then more and more people will realize that they would rather have the power than be a part of complete anarchy. A few coups take places and everyone wants more order.
Shouldn't this be in the Politics, Activism, and Law forum?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: daimyo]
#4724936 - 09/28/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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No. Re-read what you just said.
Its a purely philosophical question. We are doomed to progress, and so anarchy cannot exist; yet it is interesting to note it is our natural state of being.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: daimyo]
#4725067 - 09/28/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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new orleans. as good as any.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4725087 - 09/28/05 11:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd love to live in an anarcho socialist society, but that is never going to happen. The powerful few already have far too much control over the silent majority for this to ever occur. Always have.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: qhr0me]
#4725096 - 09/28/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are lots of places in Africa where anarchy reigns. The product? genocide.
Its been done thousands of times trough history and it always ends in total annihilation.
You think you could make it? think again. Well you could if you are willing to kill for scraps.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4725206 - 09/28/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am anarchist. IMHO, anarchy is only possible if the vast majority of social elements have the same values. Today, such possibility is almost impossible to accomplish. Anyway, you have to be aware that anarchism has a multitude of concepts. The basis of all the different kinds of anarchism is the end of the state and the end of private property as we know today, also it proposes a higher degree of freedom and a direct democratic system to choose leadership (but not the political kind).
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Different kinds of Anarchism
There are several different kinds of anarchism, and their beliefs are quite different. In this text I will discuss some of the best known kinds of Anarchism. You will, I am quite sure, find that not all of them share the same views, and in some cases some of the ideas might not even fulfill the traditional definition of Anarchism...
Before I go any further, I would like to briefly introduce the topic, which is quite confusing. There are two terms worth to notice, right anarchism and left anarchism, these are the terms describing different kinds of anarchism, right anarchism mostly based on competition, in opposition to cooperation which is the belief of left anarchists.
Agorism: An anarchist ideology which is supporting a peaceful black market in addition to the normal free market.
Communitarian anarchism: The ideas, founded by Bakunin, relate much to Proudhon's beliefs but are also moving towards collective ideas. Bakunin was seeking a society which was based on cooperation and the fact that the workers owned their workplaces. In this society there would be no body to govern above each cooperation, and everybody in each cooperation would have the same amount of power. This means that although all people had an equal amount of power, the powers of each person was limited.
Anarcho-capitalism: The anarcho-capitalist ideas originate from Gustavo de Molinari, a Belgian economist. The last year of his life, Molinari wrote several essays which all gave the basis for anarcho-capitalism. These ideas are anarchist only in the limited view that they reject government and that they support a free market (in its meaning of a market free of state interference). They support property rights, police and even military force, which is to be used for defense purposes only. Because of this many anarchists do not even accept anarcho-capitalism as a anarchist school. Also known as market anarchism.
Anarcho-communism: "All things for all men, since all men have need of them, since all men worked to produce them in the measure of their strength, and since it is not possible to evaluate everyone's part in production of the world's wealth ... All is for all!" These words were said by Peter Kropotkin, a Russian anarchist who is counted as the founder of the anarcho-communist ideas, they summarize much of the beliefs of the anarcho-communists. The anarcho-communist ideas belong to a group of left-oriented anarchists, meaning that they support cooperation instead of competition.
Anarcho-pacifism: Anarchists and pacifists started to educate each other after the two world-wars, and soon the ideas today known as anarcho-pacifism, nonviolent anarchism or pacifist anarchism were developed. However, it was not before in the 1950's or 60's that the though-minded anarchists and the tender-minded pacifists had their common ideas and beliefs finished: A society with no rulers or classes, where religion (or Christianity) sets the only limits and in which a global government, whose only purpose is to protect the people, rules. These ideas support a limited government, making them much like the minarchist ideals.
Anarcho-syndicalism: Anarcho-syndicalists are in the opinion that the state has two tasks:
* As the fighting organization of the workers against the employers to enforce the demands of the workers for the safeguarding and raising of their standard of living; * As the school for the intellectual training of the workers to make them acquainted with the technical management of production and economic life in general so that when a revolutionary situation arises they will be capable of taking the socio-economic organism into their own hands and remarking it according to socialist principles.
The anarcho-syndicalists are in opposition of elections, which they argue are just to make it seem that the rulers are working to the best of our interest. No political party, even a socialist one, is fitted to perform any of these two tasks. Further, anarcho-syndicalists share the general anarchist opinions.
Christian Anarchism: Christian anarchism is very similar to Anarcho-communism, or communistic anarchism as it also is called. The difference is that Christian anarchism derives some ideas and doctrines from the Christian Gospel and not philosophers. Leo Tolstoy is granted the founder of the ideas, which he arrived to through his Christian faith.
Eco-anarchism: This idea support small villages, each independent from the others. Some of the supporters of these ideas consider the village the unit of human life in opposition to considering the family such. Eco-anarchists argues that the only purpose of any political system or body should assure the creation of these small villages.
Individualism (Individualist-anarchism): This idea was founded by Stirner, an anarchist who lived in the 19th-century. Stirner, in his ideas, expressed that there is no god, only the individual on his own. The individual works to make everything his property. In individualist-anarchism Stirner expressed a wanting for the abolishment of state, government and laws. He further wanted a society in which everybody would fight for their own good in a battle against everybody else. Alliances would exist, but none would get a chance to develop into a superior group or a state.
Mutualism: Mutualism dates back to P.J. Proudhon, a French anarchist from the time of the French revolution. Mutualists belong to a non-collectivist segment of anarchists. They dream of a society in which the economy is organized around a free market, and production is done by self-employed workers and farmers. Mutualists also belongs to a group of left-oriented anarchists and therefore support cooperation as opposed to competition.
National-Anarchism: The ideas were founded by Troy Southgate, an opponent of the state from South London. Southgate is still alive, and active as a political writer "National-Anarchism essentially transcends the Left-Right spectrum, concluding that both epithets are simply convenient terms for the political establishment. We do not emanate from the Left, as you say, but then neither do we come from the Right. . . . . . . National-Anarchism is also very different to the vast majority of ideological tendencies in that we completely reject the Protestant work-ethic which runs through Western society. Bob Black explains this perfectly: "Curiously - or maybe not - all the old ideologies are conservative because they believe in work. Some of them, like Marxism and most brands of anarchism, believe in work all the more fiercely because they believe in so little else ... Marxists think we should be bossed by bureaucrats. Libertarians think we should be bossed by businessmen. Feminists don't care which form bossing takes so long as the bosses are women. Clearly these ideology-mongers have serious differences over how to divvy up the spoils of power. Just as clearly, none of them have any objection to power as such and all of them want to keep us working." (From The Abolition of Work and Other Essays, Loompanics, 1985, pp. 1-2). Another feature which distinguishes us from the mainstream ?anarchist? movement, is our profound belief in racial separatism. Here in England, National-Anarchists have consistently been labeled ?fascist? by a minority of self-seeking Trotskyists and anarcho-dogmatists." As understood from the above quote, national-anarchists attack other forms of anarchism or revolutionaries as well as the current capitalist system. At the same time, National-Anarchists also support an alliance formation between different revolutionary groups, as they argue this will lead the revolution to go strong, and that after the disappearance of the government, agreement can be made between the different groups. Again, I will quote Southgate: "I think the main thing to stress, however, is that although we are racial scenarists we have no objections to other people founding different communities as long as they allow us to live in peace. And we don't, obviously, have any time whatsoever for racial or white supremacy".
Although I intended to write every section in this article myself, Southgate expressed these ideas so well that I did not see any purpose in rewriting them. The above quote is from a mail he sent me regarding this article.
Another main point of the National-Anarchists is that there are two forms of freedom, national and individual. These are each others pre-conditions: No individual can be free if he belongs to a group of non-free people.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4725577 - 09/28/05 01:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: The absense of government aka social regulation.
By government, do you mean a state? Because there have been anarchist societies which existed longer than the U.S. Government has been in existence. The lack of a state does not equate to a lack of social order or social regulation. There are in fact a variety of governing systems in human societies, of which the state is one type.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4725674 - 09/28/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anarchy means a lack of hierarchy. That is, no one is in a position to coerce anyone else to do their bidding. As mentioned by others, this does not preclude any social regulation or social order(thus negating your 3 points). In fact, Proudhoun himself once declared "anarchy is order." I am not quite an anarchist, as I have my doubts as to the feasibility of such a system within modern society, but I am sympathetic to the cause.
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Go live in a cave TOTALLY independant, and see how you appreciate modern living.
how about a self-made home in the woods for 3 months, with no other people around, forced to eat only what you can hunt or pick.
above anything else, it helps you understand that people are alien, and we can do just fine without other people.
Thats neither for nor against anarchy, but I could honestly say that humans are pretty much the only animals with this "revenge" you speak of. And better yet, its most likely a learned thing, not some innate form of evil.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: MAIA]
#4726084 - 09/28/05 03:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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To those arguing in favor of anarchy.
I have a plausible scenario to ask. How would you eat? How would you produce food? How would you obtain the equipment made to create this food? How would you distribute the food equally? What about in times of drought or other difficulties obtaining food?
I'm just saying there are so many variables unaccounted for, you cant possibly have any sort of damage control with anarchy. It would just lead to chaos and disorder. Its too much freedom for the average Joe.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4726148 - 09/28/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: How would you eat? How would you produce food?
I could either hunt and grow my own fruits and vegetables(anarcho-primitivism), or I could buy food through the market much as I do now. The food markets may be dominated by worker co-ops rather than corporations, but other than that, it would be much the same.
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How would you obtain the equipment made to create this food?
Wouldn't have to. The market would handle it, much like it does today.
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How would you distribute the food equally?
Wouldn't need to. People would buy as much food as they needed, like they do today. With the workers owning the means of production, however, income would be distributed more equally, so the disparity in wealth which prevents some people from attaining the needed amount of food would be eliminated.
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What about in times of drought or other difficulties obtaining food?
We could call upon the help of others. People need not have hierarchy to be organized.
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I'm just saying there are so many variables unaccounted for, you cant possibly have any sort of damage control with anarchy. It would just lead to chaos and disorder. Its too much freedom for the average Joe.
You have not shown this to be the case.
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Ok, how would an anarchist society deal with a large external threat?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
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psyka said: Ok, how would an anarchist society deal with a large external threat?
The same way they would deal with a large internal threat -- through large-scale organized resistance.
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So an army?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4726205 - 09/28/05 04:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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More like a militia
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Would this militia be funded? Or would it be like ordinary citizens with their 12 gauges, dodging mortar shells and tank artillery?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
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It would be ordinary citizens coming together for a common cause. There's no need to fund it if they're defending their homeland and their freedom. That in itself is enough incentive to fight.
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Yea yea yea. Anarchy is just a pipe dream for the thinking man.
History tends to show that people need to be led. There will always be leaders and alpha males that naturally arise to power. Social hierarchy is a natural process that has occured throughout modern civilization's history.
Not to mention the trivial shit that starts major chaos. For example, a soccer team losing a match and causing thousands of people to riot, destroy property and cause violence. This is a prime example of when there needs to be an authoritive figure. People are not ready to be free.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
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psyka said: Yea yea yea. Anarchy is just a pipe dream for the thinking man.
You still have not shown this to be the case.
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History tends to show that people need to be led.
People have a need to conform, but that need not be to the wishes of any one person. In some cases, one person may be better than others at a certain task, or have better ideas, and it is perfectly acceptable that people might wish to follow such a person. But that authority need not be institutionalized and enforced. As long as it is purely voluntary, it is fine.
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There will always be leaders and alpha males that naturally arise to power. Social hierarchy is a natural process that has occured throughout modern civilization's history.
Anarchy is opposed to institutional(read: coercive) authority. Charismatic authority is not a problem, as long as it is not enforced coercively. There have been several societies throughout history which did not rely on a central authority.
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Not to mention the trivial shit that starts major chaos. For example, a soccer team losing a match and causing thousands of people to riot, destroy property and cause violence.
This is why in anarchy the people must take it upon themselves to defend what's theirs. When everybody does this, there is no need for a police force. Everyone protecting their own property(to the extent that property exists in anarchy) could be much more effective than a small group of officials(police) doing it for them.
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This is a prime example of when there needs to be an authoritive figure. People are not ready to be free.
As I just demonstrated, there need not be any authoritative figure in such a situation.
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anarchy is not about equality.
I look at anarchy as more of an essential state to start over, to truly have a clean slate, and lay a solid foundation.
so I guess you could say I would be in favor of anarchy until it came, then I would be against it, and in favor of a new solid system (replacing the old).
chew on that!
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Re: Anarchy [Re: kotik]
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The main problem as i see it is violence and criminality. Sure you can have a self policing society but if it where me and i was facing a lynch mob i would shoot to kill, as many as it would take.
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Shroomnoob said: The main problem as i see it is violence and criminality. Sure you can have a self policing society but if it where me and i was facing a lynch mob i would shoot to kill, as many as it would take.
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Yes, that is the main thing preventing me from fully embracing anarchism. It seems that a complex society requires some sort of due process.
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Shroomnoob said: The main problem as i see it is violence and criminality. Sure you can have a self policing society but if it where me and i was facing a lynch mob i would shoot to kill, as many as it would take.
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Yes, that is the main thing preventing me from fully embracing anarchism. It seems that a complex society requires some sort of due process.
Yes that's true. The process has to converge and embrace the idea that all people inside an anarchist society must have and obey the same set of universal values. Such thing is impossible without a complete rebirth of the individual mentality. The biggest revolution is not on the streets but inside our mind
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Re: Anarchy [Re: kotik]
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kotik said: anarchy is not about equality.
I disagree. If you're interested in anarchy and/or have the time, read The ABCs of Anarchism by Alexander Berkman.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4730014 - 09/29/05 05:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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whoa.. thanks for the link, its a bit involved. ll read into it for sure.
I used to be all into Anarchy when I was younger, and I read lots from Emma Goldman.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: MAIA]
#4732319 - 09/29/05 03:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The main thing preventing communism from actually working is because people are greedy bastards. That is why it WILL NOT WORK. And that is why anarchy will not work.
People are still trying to dominate each other.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4732348 - 09/29/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: The main thing preventing communism from actually working is because people are greedy bastards.
No, the main thing preventing communism(or rather, the socialist stage before communism) from working is the impossibly complicated logistics of running a command economy. A market economy full of altruists can run just fine.
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That is why it WILL NOT WORK. And that is why anarchy will not work.
People are still trying to dominate each other.
Then explain how the Iroquois Confederacy managed to function without any leader. Explain why the people of the !Kung tribe in southern Africa are not constantly trying to dominate one another. You are making too big an assumption about human nature.
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Because, they could identify themselves. They had a cultural advantage, I would say.
Maybe its because I live in America, and I'm thinking too much about the people I live around.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4732396 - 09/29/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: Because, they could identify themselves. They had a cultural advantage, I would say.
Maybe its because I live in America, and I'm thinking too much about the people I live around.
Then it is not human nature at all which you are talking about, but rather cultural bias. Fortunately, unlike human nature, culture is maleable, and can change over time.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4732483 - 09/29/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: The main thing preventing communism from actually working is because people are greedy bastards. That is why it WILL NOT WORK. And that is why anarchy will not work.
People are still trying to dominate each other.
I never understood this point of view. People just aren't meant to be, you know, so utopian. You believe a utopian communist society would breed more greed and jealousy than a capitalist one?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4732577 - 09/29/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well history tends to show that. Pardon me for noticing.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4737815 - 09/30/05 05:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't saying that to sound condescending, but I don't understand it when people say that. I believe capitalism breeds greed, crime, and selfishness. For instance: Why does a laid off family man rob a bank? Because he's a criminal or because he is struggling to feed his family and pay his rent?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737822 - 09/30/05 05:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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bukkake said: For instance: Why does a laid off family man rob a bank? Because he's a criminal or because he is struggling to feed his family and pay his rent?
You obviously have no knowledge of criminology. The kind of people who rob banks are not "laid off family men." They are usually adrenaline junkies with no respect for the law or other people.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737824 - 09/30/05 05:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bukkake,
For the new anarchist nation, we need a volunteer team to handle solid wastes. I trust you'll be first in line?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4737864 - 09/30/05 05:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was using an extreme example. The point I was trying to make was, behind most crime there is reason. Usually, you aren't beaten by a stranger for no reason, unless he is a sadist. He takes your wallet, your money, your clothing, whatever else you have that is of interest of him.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737872 - 09/30/05 05:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course there is a reason for crime, but that doesn't mean it's desperation. Sometimes it's simply selfishness.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4737877 - 09/30/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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psyka said: Bukkake,
For the new anarchist nation, we need a volunteer team to handle solid wastes. I trust you'll be first in line?
Yes, I will. The anarchist nation will be one where everyone helps one another in every cause. Where many would be involved in the most difficult jobs, so as to prevent difficult labor as much as possible for the commonman.
What would make more sense, friend. To have all involved in a difficult job, fifteen minutes a day, or to have few involved in a difficult job, hours and hours a day? We are all equals and will act as so.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737889 - 09/30/05 05:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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15 minutes a day?
People are shitting constantly!
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4737933 - 09/30/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Different volunteer teams working every fifteen minutes and that being their labor for the day. If you wanted to mine and were attempting to run a utopian society, would it make more sense for everyone involved to work at fifteen minute intervals or eight hour intervals a day?
Maybe I've just lost my mind. I don't know. I often ask myself how I feel about things and question them.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737975 - 09/30/05 05:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anarchy cant work, unless maintence and management are self-automated. This process currently requires humans. And many humans dont like working whether its 15 minutes a day or 8 hours.
Perhaps one day when we merge with our technology and harness the energy of the sun (which may be sooner than imagined).
However, I think we can modify our current system. Cut back on unnecessary funding and work 2-4 hours less.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4737980 - 09/30/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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If somehow anarchy was implemented in the future, I would do my best to consolidate my power and build an army. I would conquer as much as I could before I was stopped.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4737995 - 09/30/05 06:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, there you are looner. I was wondering when you would show up on this thread.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: psyka]
#4737998 - 09/30/05 06:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anarchy can or cannot work. Just like capitalism can and cannot work. Just like socialism can and cannot work. These are all systems and they have their flaws. They can succeed with acceptance or can fall flat on their faces. I prefer anarchy, obviously. So I am biased. I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Looner, that sounds a lot like a psychological problem.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4738018 - 09/30/05 06:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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bukkake said: Anarchy can or cannot work. Just like capitalism can and cannot work. Just like socialism can and cannot work. These are all systems and they have their flaws. They can succeed with acceptance or can fall flat on their faces. I prefer anarchy, obviously. So I am biased. I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Looner, that sounds a lot like a psychological problem.
Like voodoo can or cannot work. Like Oujii boards can or cannot work. Etc... Etc.
The problem with anarchy is that it assumes the absolute best conduct from all of humanity. It denies and contradicts human nature. For that, it is beyond reasonable... it is ridiculous.
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bukkake said: Looner, that sounds a lot like a psychological problem.
Denying your nature is a psychological problem. I would seek power because it would be readily available to seize, just like any other alpha male leader who chooses. Not everyone is a willing eunuch, that was sooo 90's.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738043 - 09/30/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only thing we know about human nature is that the penis goes into the vagina and another human is produced.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4738062 - 09/30/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nope. I've read history books, and I can come to a solid conclusion.
Humans have been warring and striving for power for thousands of years.
You can't argue with history. Utopia will never exist. Save yourself some thinking and ponder something more rational.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738108 - 09/30/05 06:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The history as has been recorded, thus far. Yes, you are correct on that. Scientists are constantly uncovering history from thousands and thousands of years ago. Finding new discoveries. The recent controversy over the Kennewick Man, for example. Which would just about shatter to pieces all we've known about Native Americans in North America. History is how it is interpreted and presented. We really don't know anything.
Either way, I've come across you enough times to know you're a gimmick. I'm done replying to you.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4738116 - 09/30/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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bukkake said: Either way, I've come across you enough times to know you're a gimmick. I'm done replying to you.
Translation: You've shattered my dreams.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738117 - 09/30/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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looner2 said: I am the utopian dream crusher!
OOPs!
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738130 - 09/30/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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looner2 said: I am the utopian dream crusher!
Dream on! If you were the big alpha male you would like us to believe you are, you would be gathering your armies with the big boys right now.
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looner2 said: I am the utopian dream crusher!
Dream on! If you were the big alpha male you would like us to believe you are, you would be gathering your armies with the big boys right now.
When my balls drop I'll be so on that.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738204 - 09/30/05 06:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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looner2 said: The problem with anarchy is that it assumes the absolute best conduct from all of humanity. It denies and contradicts human nature. For that, it is beyond reasonable... it is ridiculous.
Perhaps the form of anarchism which bukkake advocates(which could best be described as anarcho-communism) assumes the best conduct of humanity, but not every anarchist ideology does. I find mutualism to be a far more realistic vision of an anarchist society. It allows for a free market and free association, as well as a monetary system, and thus does not require equality(at least in the sense of equal results -- it certainly provides for more equal opportunity).
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738231 - 09/30/05 06:44 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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looner2 said: The problem with anarchy is that it assumes the absolute best conduct from all of humanity. It denies and contradicts human nature. For that, it is beyond reasonable... it is ridiculous.
Perhaps the form of anarchism which bukkake advocates(which could best be described as anarcho-communism) assumes the best conduct of humanity, but not every anarchist ideology does. I find mutualism to be a far more realistic vision of an anarchist society. It allows for a free market and free association, as well as a monetary system, and thus does not require equality(at least in the sense of equal results -- it certainly provides for more equal opportunity).
How would that economic principle stop me from gathering an army and beginning a conquest?
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738427 - 09/30/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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It wouldn't, but your conquest would be a failure if you couldn't win over the vast majority of people through persuasion.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: looner2]
#4738439 - 09/30/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The problem with anarchy is that it assumes the absolute best conduct from all of humanity. It denies and contradicts human nature. For that, it is beyond reasonable... it is ridiculous.
Looner is correct. Anarchy must wait for a possible future evolution of humanity. Not likely in my estimation. Although you can practice it in a limited way in your personal life. That is good enough for me.
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Icelander said: Looner is correct. Anarchy must wait for a possible future evolution of humanity. Not likely in my estimation. Although you can practice it in a limited way in your personal life. That is good enough for me.
But if that is correct, why aren't you and I amassing armies to take over our countries and the world in general? Why do we do what we're currently doing now? If we're lusting to be #1 and whatnot.
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The most fundamental aspect of human nature is social adaptability and conformity. All it would take for anarchy to succeed is the proper cultural context.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
#4738496 - 09/30/05 07:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because we are the second part of my statement. Most people are not. They can't be in charge of their lives in a responsible way. They need some dickheaded leader to tell them what to think and do. Sad but true.
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Icelander said: Because we are the second part of my statement. Most people are not. They can't be in charge of their lives in a responsible way. They need some dickheaded leader to tell them what to think and do. Sad but true.
No, they don't need a leader to tell them what to think or do. They need society to do that. Society does not require a leader to set such social boundaries.
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Society/leader leader/society. What's the difference? We have both now and I don't see anarchy working anywhere.
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Icelander said: Society/leader leader/society. What's the difference?
An individual vs. a collective? Social norms need not be enforced violently. The will of an individual usually does.
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We have both now and I don't see anarchy working anywhere.
It worked quite well for the Iroquois, and it continues to work well for the !Kung.
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We believe it's good enough. To be fucked over on a daily basis, because if we did something about it we know what would happen. We'd be smashed to pieces. But no one really likes to be fucked over on a daily basis. We don't like to be told what to do, commanded, fit a guideline which betrays what we truly want to do, regardless of the "law" we're told is righteous and universal. Because it's not inherent to obey or be told what to do by someone else. We aren't born into the "Masters Vs. Workers" unwritten law we must follow, where jealousy and bloodthirsty greed fester.
Are any of you murdering, thieving crooks? Most of you are not. You want to live your life, free, without harm of anyone else. When you see a bum on the street who asks you for money, do you kick him in the face or do you decline to give him money? The answer by most of you is the latter and the reason you don't do this is because you must look after yourself in the system you've been brought up in. The $5 which come from your pocket, deviated out of the system we're TOLD(this is not inherent) to follow, of course means that those $5 are stripped of you. Those $5 that would have otherwise been contributed to your necessities, your family, your well-being. And of course this is selfishness, but this sort of selfishness is not unjustifiable under the system we've been born into to follow.
My digression with history that tells of chaos and humanity's selfishness is that I believe all humans are inherently good, but the perverse system we've been born into that tells of otherwise. So, we are not naturally truly lusting of chaos and superiority, but rather that we are born into that one-ups mans-ship worldly view. I justify holding this view because of how much about history we truly do not know. No one knows how old the world is, how long it was until one knew how to write, to record history. And how much of history prior to this is simply unrecorded? Who is to say the very first humans didn't believe in egalitarianism, in bettering their fellow man, to keep human existence? Why didn't they just murder one another and declare themselves the sole survivor? If superiority was our goal, wouldn't that make sense of our ancestors?
I tried to make this shorter, but I couldn't without expressing all I needed to say.
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Icelander said: Society/leader leader/society. What's the difference?
An individual vs. a collective? Social norms need not be enforced violently. The will of an individual usually does.
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We have both now and I don't see anarchy working anywhere.
It worked quite well for the Iroquois, and it continues to work well for the !Kung.
Well IMO the violence of socitey is subversive. You get programmed by society to follow the code created by leadership.
The Iroquois sadly are gone. They were over powered by an agressor. The Kung are small and could easily go that way.
Don't get me wrong. I want anarchy for myself. Just let me know when America or any other first world country adopts it.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
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We must remember that it's in the state's best interest to make us believe we can't exist without the state. The majority of human history tells us otherwise.
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Oh, of course. The elite few love our current living conditions. They love the laws we have in place, the enormous income disparity. The inequality is glorious. Why wouldn't they love it? We're killing and robbing one another, while they live lavishly and tell us what we can and cannot do with our own bodies. How smoking marijuana and taking psilocybin is an evil and jailable offense, but they and their relatives can shove their dick into the "legal system's" asshole by hiring an overpriced lawyer and getting off free of any such crime.
It is no coincidence that the numero uno crime in our country is larceny. That's because we live under capitalism. We need money. We lust for what we need.
If I were to hypothetically acknowledge that we all love power and war, naturally, why isn't murder or rape or assault one of the number one crimes? Why is theft? Stealing what one has.
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Re: Anarchy [Re: bukkake]
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"We are an anarcho-syndicate commune, which means we take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week who passes laws which must be ratified by every bi-weekly metting and in the case of pure internal affairs, by a 2/3rds majority"
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I've discussed the isse several times with a couple of frieds of mine and we came to the conclusion that anarchy can easily exist in a small community like a small village or town where a social bond exists between its members, because this social bond would prevent people from screwing each other. There could be a free market, which wouldn't be regulated of course but it would be fair. In a way anarchy can exist when there's lack of selfishness and respect for your fellow beings.
That mutualist article is very interesting!!!
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