two_rivers said:

There's too much arbitrary shit going on right now in this game.  I think I screwed up the weapons and perma-fucked myself.  The fuck are these Eidolons?  The game holds your hand in virtually every aspect of the game except for those in which it's actually necessary.  I was in the middle of a rematch with Sazh's Eidolon and I just shut the power off.  So annoying.  This game has its moments, it was fun for a bit, but I've reached my boiling point.

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SneezingPenis said:

how? did you ever play any final fantasy game before this?

this was seriously the lamest, and worse final fantasy ever. I don't think you would have made the above statement if you had ever played FF3, 7, 8, 9 and tactics, or even FFonline.

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SneezingPenis said:

you have no concept of what a good game is if you honestly think that this FF was the best FF. just plain retarded.

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another illiterate neanderthal making an opinion and claiming it as fact. First of all, nowhere did I say it was the best final fantasy, it isn't even close. Great assumption there, dipshit. You clearly do not understand game mechanics and rpg storyline structure if you are rating ff9 as one of the best in the series, considering it was made specifically with a child's enjoyment as the main priority. Not surprising you liked that one, you might have actually understood it.

The more you type, the more you prove your ignorance; but I will goad further stupidity from you no longer.

ph34r said:

You clearly do not understand game mechanics and rpg storyline structure if you are rating ff9 as one of the best in the series, considering it was made specifically with a child's enjoyment as the main priority.

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BlimeyGrimey said:

FF8 sucked, in my opinion.

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As far as the draw system, I found it pretty weak myself. I think that the intro scene to FF8 is one of the best in the series, and the actual look of the characters was one of the best as well. As far as the actual storyline and gameplay though, it left much to be desired. Of course, it's pretty hard for any game to follow up FF7.

With that said, the card game in FF8 is my favorite sidegame out of the entire final fantasy series. I probably played more of that card game than the rest of the game itself . I can still remember when I got my Squall and Seifer cards \o/

ph34r said:

Nothing in the game is arbitrary, weapon upgrades don't become important until late in the game. If you are to Sazh's Eidolon and still don't know what they are you're either lying or dumb as hell as they give you in-depth tutorials on them..

Eidolon battles are the easiest in the game so if it's 'annoying' and you reach your boiling point that fast, then the final fantasy series is obviously not for you.

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You sure are a sassy mother fucker.

Anyway, a spirit/deity/transformer that you call forth from the heavens or from your arm tattoo whatever that transforms into a motorcycle that you can ride around on and run over enemies with is pretty arbitrary.  At least to me it is anyway.

ph34r said:

then what video game isn't arbitrary?


You can make any game sound arbitrary if you really want to. Final Fantasy has always used magic and summons

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There are plenty of video games that aren't arbitrary.  Even many fantasy RPG games adhere to a plausible set of natural laws that aren't broken just because the game designer wants to add in a cool looking cyber-turtle with laser eyes that summons robots that fight with nun-chucks or whatever.

But just forget I said anything.  It's not even the point.  I simply just don't like the game.  I have my reasons, I think the entire game world, story, and its characters are ridiculous and laughable and the gameplay is boring and frustrating.



This is just my opinion.  You can call me an asshole or dumb or whatever you like, you can continue to debate with me, but it's not going to change my opinion of the game.  I'm happy for you that you are enjoying FFXIII.  I wish I would have been able to enjoy it too honestly.  But I just don't like it.

two_rivers said:

There are plenty of video games that aren't arbitrary.  Even many fantasy RPG games adhere to a plausible set of natural laws that aren't broken just because the game designer wants to add in a cool looking cyber-turtle with laser eyes that summons robots that fight with nun-chucks or whatever.

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Could you possibly make less sense if you tried? "natural laws" of video games?

two_rivers said:

This is just my opinion.  You can call me an asshole or dumb or whatever you like, you can continue to debate with me, but it's not going to change my opinion of the game. 

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ph34r said:

two_rivers said:

There are plenty of video games that aren't arbitrary.  Even many fantasy RPG games adhere to a plausible set of natural laws that aren't broken just because the game designer wants to add in a cool looking cyber-turtle with laser eyes that summons robots that fight with nun-chucks or whatever.

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Could you possibly make less sense if you tried? "natural laws" of video games?

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I know you understand what I'm getting at but you are apparently the sort of petty and vindictive person that gets off on making a fool of someone.  If I had more sense I would just ignore you and move on.  But for better or worse, here it goes...

Yes, even in game worlds there are a set of "laws" that the inhabitants adhere to.  In Oblivion for example, the game world is essentially a medieval world with the addition of magic and some fictional creatures.  But everything in the game world for the most part fits together cohesively and there are plausible explanations for the existence of magic and creatures that are in the world.  You won't really witness anything out of place as you wander around.

In FF game worlds (in a lot Japanese RPG game worlds for that matter) it's almost as if the arbitrariness is the only thing that binds the world together.  You might be fighting a group of undead sword wielding soldiers randomly clustered across some random environment, only to have the next battle be with a staff wielding cactus.  There are no possible explanation for the settings and inhabitants other than the game artist and modeler simply thought they looked cool.

For me, while it may look cool or whatever.  It makes the game world difficult to get into.  They take the same approach with the story too, in one scene a character can whoop ass on a large group of enemies, in the next, the character feels threatened and has to run away.  After a while it just becomes totally ridiculous.  The game designers just make shit up and do whatever.  You know... sword wielding characters doing battle with super advanced space ships shooting missiles and lasers.  WTF.  This kind of stuff just simply doesn't do it for me.  It's too ridiculous.

two_rivers said:

This is just my opinion.  You can call me an asshole or dumb or whatever you like, you can continue to debate with me, but it's not going to change my opinion of the game. 

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My 7 year old nephew who has never played any form of RPG in his life had no trouble at all with Sazh's Eidolon(note, this was his FIRST BATTLE EVER, I handed him the controller and showed him what paradigms were and that was all there was to it). So I repeat, if this part of the game 'reaches your boiling point' and is incredibly 'annoying' and 'frustrating', then yes you are either not very bright or final fantasy games are just not for you. I fail to see where we are debating. You are calling a game arbitrary and then ironically, arbitrarily making up "cyber turtles with laser eyes and nunchucks" (watch too much TMNT?) to prove your point in some way. It's laughable.

Enjoy your other games.

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I battled Sazh's Eidolon once, while holding the control in one hand, mashing "X" all the while and thinking about something totally unrelated and more interesting in the process.  I knew what tactic I had to apply after I lost once, but I decided it wasn't worth my time and I traded the game in.  I reached my boiling point when I realized how annoying and big of a waste of time the game had become for me to play.  I could have pressed on and beaten the game, but I just could not bring myself to give a fuck.  It has nothing to do with my abilities as a gamer, and more to do with personal taste.  I just don't like the game. Are you that insecure about your feverish love for FFXIII that you can't accept it when somebody doesn't share your opinion?

I'm sure there are plenty of games I enjoy that you don't find interesting, but I'm not going to attempt to belittle you because you don't feel the same way I do.  Either way it's just a video game dude, there's no need to get angry.  Go outside and climb a tree or something, run a few laps, I don't know...  Just because we aren't talking face to face doesn't mean it's ok to be a dickhead.

And here, yes that is a fucking cyber turtle with laser eyes from Final Fantasy.  The truth is I did just make that shit up, but unsurprisingly this creature WAS actually in a FF game.



And if you are going to try to call me out on the staff wielding cactus... here.



Maybe you are right, maybe the series isn't for me anymore despite the fact that I have enjoyed some of the games in the past.  And if that's the case so what!  I can still try 'em out.  At least I played it and give it an honest chance before I decided I didn't like it.  It's not like I was just bashing the game even though I never played it, ya know?