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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Theylikethatshit]
    #9439478 - 12/15/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

PS3 is laaaaaaaame, case closed. The ONLY thing I wish my 360 did that a PS3 does is be able to look at porn on the internet with it, Other then tht it's garbage. I'm not going to pay $200 more dollars because it has a stupid blue ray player in it. If I wanted one of those I would buy one, but I bought a 360 because i want to play GAMES not watch movies. On top of that PS3 online is bullshit, no where near the ammount of people play online compared to xbox. They built a good system yes I'll give them that, but XBOX built a community around there sytem, and that is more valuble then anything. With a 360 EVERYTHING XBOX is at your fingertips, especially with the new update they just released.

Also YAWNING ANUS, those numbers you posted dont mean shit.
microsoft Revenue ▲ US$ 60.420 Billion (2008)

Sony Revenue ▲ US$ 88.714 Billion (2008)

Those are not xbox 360 vs ps3 sales, that is revenue for the whole company and frankly I wonder where you get your sources...

Also if you want a biased opinion from a game developer who makes games for BOTH systems here are the links, which further support the argument that 360 is better.

For instance...
Graphics

This is a sticky subject for a lot of fanboys. A very common argument in most flame wars is that the Playstation 3 simply “has better graphics”. I’m not sure where that argument came from; Sony obviously did a good job of marketing the system. However, the argument is entirely false. The Xenos GPU on the XBOX 360 is superior the RSX on the PS3. This is one thing that didn’t change in the past year.

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm (Done when ps3 first came out)

http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-one-year-later/ ; (One year later)


Online Support

Let’s face it, it’s going to be tough for anyone to beat XBOX Live. The interface is excellent, the interaction between players is superb, and extra features like achievements add the small touches that make playing games on the XBOX 360 just a little bit better for certain people.

Playstation Network has the sole advantage of being free for the most part (game makers are still allowed to charge for online play if they want, such as MMO games, etc). However, to play any game at all on XBOX Live, you must subscribe at $50 per year at its cheapest.

One drastic disadvantage of the Playstation 3 is the fact that you cannot send messages to your friend from within a game; in order to reach the XMB or ‘main menu’ of the PS3, you need to quit out of the game you are playing, and go to your friends list that way. There is nothing in the way of voice chat (with the exception of Warhawk), and no cross-game invite system. With XBOX Live, hit one button and you can reach your friends right away. Send them a voice message, or text message, or invite them to the server you’re playing on. You can even add your MSN/Live Messenger list to the 360, and talk to your non-gaming friends any time you want.

Profiles are also more robust on XBOX Live - each gamer has their own tag, their own custom avatar, a list of games they recently played, some achievements they have accomplished, and an overall score to give an idea of how experienced you are. All of this can be viewed in-game. Also, XBOX Live extends to XBOX.com, where you can view and edit profiles from your PC if you prefer.

On PSN, you get an icon, and a small about-me section. None of this can be viewed in-game, and there is no way to tell anything else about the gamer. PSN does not extend to an online version that can be viewed from the PC, either.

With PSN Home coming (the beta is rumored to be starting in December), this section may drastically change. Sony is banking on Home being a huge reason to play games on the Playstation 3 as opposed to the XBOX 360. Public details on Home have been sketchy at best though, so we shall see how things pan out.


I just don't know what else to say, I mean you guys got it from a developers mouth, PS3 "looks better" on paper but in reality just doesnt measure up.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: kloomie]
    #9440009 - 12/15/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't know fans of the two were so competitive!


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9440066 - 12/15/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't know fans of the two were so competitive!




I did  :whistling:


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: kloomie]
    #9440854 - 12/15/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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One drastic disadvantage of the Playstation 3 is the fact that you cannot send messages to your friend from within a game; in order to reach the XMB or ‘main menu’ of the PS3, you need to quit out of the game you are playing, and go to your friends list that way





not anymore, they released an update that gives access to xmb in game.

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With PSN Home coming (the beta is rumored to be starting in December), this section may drastically change.





beta started a few weeks ago, and i think may be out of beta by now, but i dont' really know.

I chose ps3 since most of my friends have xbox360, i go over there to play.  I also refuse to pay any money to play online games, if a computer game has online charges, I just don't play that game.  I pay for internet, I pay for the game, the last thing im going to do is pay more just to play it, WoW is a great example, you spend $60 on the game, then $30 for each expansion, then have to pay another fee before you get to play.  Same as xbox live, i bought xbox, i have internet, why should i pay an extra $50 a year just to play the 'online enabled' game you gave me, though its really, 'online enabled*', the * being you must pay up to play.

Lastly, reliability of xbox360 is very poor, I have only 1 friend out of the 5 I have that own them that is still on his first, other 3 are on their second or third, and the heavy gamer out of us is on his 4th system already, that is just straight up shitty.

I am not a hardcore gamer, and actually use my ps3 more for a media center than for games.  i stream hi-def movies from my freeNAS server to my television in the living room, as well as all my music.

Also, the majority of games are available to both, and the exclusives on either are nothing that I would personally miss.

Really, i feel both appeal to their market, if you are a hardcore gamer and really crave the online experience, go for xbox360.  If you want a machine with superior quality and more of a media center/all around machine, go with ps3.  I like blu-ray movies, the sound is impeccable on a nice stereo, though you can't really tell the visual difference unless your screen is huge.

Regardless, im not 'against' the 360 in any way, as a computer nerd over a game nerd, i buy the superior machine.  I owned the original xbox over ps2, as the ps2 was also plagued with problems, had lagging areas in many games (like sega did)...but i also modified my xbox1 with xbmc and used it for more of a media center.  Now hopefully one day same will be possible for ps3, but for now, their included media center stuff is fine, other than the fact i have to repackage all my hi-def video from .mkv to another, as stupid ass sony won't simply add support for .mkv...seriously, it would take a single developer not even a day to add this.

thats my feelings on the whole thing.

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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: supra]
    #9441008 - 12/15/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You can pay 7.99 for 1 month, 19.99 for 3 or 59.99 for a one year subscription card.
And I wouldnt pay for a system that truly Isnt better, the developers said themselves.
Also, I believe that small fee is totally worth it considering all of the features that come with it, not to mention the ones added on the "New Xbox Experience".


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9441020 - 12/15/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't know fans of the two were so competitive!




It's ridiculous.
Both of the fucking things play video games.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: kloomie]
    #9441089 - 12/16/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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kloomie said:
PS3 is laaaaaaaame, case closed. The ONLY thing I wish my 360 did that a PS3 does is be able to look at porn on the internet with it, Other then tht it's garbage. I'm not going to pay $200 more dollars because it has a stupid blue ray player in it. If I wanted one of those I would buy one, but I bought a 360 because i want to play GAMES not watch movies. On top of that PS3 online is bullshit, no where near the ammount of people play online compared to xbox.



last night at 4-5am in the morning there were over 30k people playing cod5 on the ps3.
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They built a good system yes I'll give them that, but XBOX built a community around there sytem, and that is more valuble then anything. With a 360 EVERYTHING XBOX is at your fingertips, especially with the new update they just released.



ive played a 360 recently and i didnt notice one thing that it had "at its fingertips" that the ps3 interface didnt.

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Also YAWNING ANUS, those numbers you posted dont mean shit.
microsoft Revenue ▲ US$ 60.420 Billion (2008)

Sony Revenue ▲ US$ 88.714 Billion (2008)

Those are not xbox 360 vs ps3 sales, that is revenue for the whole company and frankly I wonder where you get your sources...



wikipedia... my point was that eastern based companies will take a loss for years to keep its customers. look at fuji film vs kodak. even if the ps3 was costing sony tons of money, it still has about 50% more capital than microsoft.

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Also if you want a biased opinion from a game developer who makes games for BOTH systems here are the links, which further support the argument that 360 is better.



two big problems with carls thesis: he was so obviously biased that even in the face of HD-DVD becoming defeated by Blu-ray he tried to speculate that it would end up competing eventually and that stand alone HD-DVD players would be readily available for 99$ - and acted like that wont be the case with Blu-ray players.
also, no developer has even tapped the full potential of the ps3 due to its cell processor which would take 20 pages of explaining to get most people to understand how amazing it is and why it ultimately pulls edge on the 360.
see, we have already seen the ceiling of the 360... all they can really do now is go sideways, while the ps3 has way more headroom of "wow" potential. because of this, major developers, like EA, are designing (and eventually they will all follow suit) their games solely on the ps3 platform and then "dumbing" down the games to fit into the lesser consoles.

the only reason 360 surpassed the ps3 in sales in november is because soccer moms are buying them up for their 11 year olds to say "fuck shit my cock, haha bla" on 360 live. after christmas sony will take the lead again because they have a loyal base of the more mature gamer with their own income.


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Online Support

Let’s face it, it’s going to be tough for anyone to beat XBOX Live. The interface is excellent, the interaction between players is superb, and extra features like achievements add the small touches that make playing games on the XBOX 360 just a little bit better for certain people.



the ps3 has the exact same thing with the trophy comparison feature....

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Playstation Network has the sole advantage of being free for the most part (game makers are still allowed to charge for online play if they want, such as MMO games, etc). However, to play any game at all on XBOX Live, you must subscribe at $50 per year at its cheapest.



so lets say that you play your 360 or ps3 for 5 years, and you paid either 500 bucks for your ps3 or 300 bucks for your 360.... in the end, you are still spending more money on the 360.

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One drastic disadvantage of the Playstation 3 is the fact that you cannot send messages to your friend from within a game; in order to reach the XMB or ‘main menu’ of the PS3, you need to quit out of the game you are playing, and go to your friends list that way.



actually you can send messages within games...
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There is nothing in the way of voice chat



??? they have just plain voice chat rooms as well as games like cod4/5 that have in game voice chat.
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(with the exception of Warhawk), and no cross-game invite system. With XBOX Live, hit one button and you can reach your friends right away. Send them a voice message, or text message, or invite them to the server you’re playing on. You can even add your MSN/Live Messenger list to the 360, and talk to your non-gaming friends any time you want.



you can do all of that on the ps3 with the exception of cross game invites... but what is the difference between that and saying "hey, stop playing cod4, we need you on cod5"?
on big turn off for game developers is the ease of software pirating and modding that can be done on the 360, which isnt the case at all with the ps3.

ultimately, the 360 has shot its load, the only thing they have now is exclusivity which is going to be really hard when almost every game is designed on the ps3 platform.
plus, the 360 controllers are extremely gay.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9441161 - 12/16/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:whatever:
Incase you didnt know, wikipedia can be edited by anyone.
For all we know, you could have typed all that up yourself...

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last night at 4-5am in the morning there were over 30k people playing cod5 on the ps3.




there are 54k people playing it right now, that is about the average players you see on there at all times...



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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Theylikethatshit]
    #9441228 - 12/16/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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:whatever:
Incase you didnt know, wikipedia can be edited by anyone.
For all we know, you could have typed all that up yourself...

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last night at 4-5am in the morning there were over 30k people playing cod5 on the ps3.




there are 54k people playing it right now, that is about the average players you see on there at all times...



:foshizzle:




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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: kloomie]
    #9441284 - 12/16/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Also on the weekends CoD5 jumps to 80-100,000 people.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: kloomie]
    #9442238 - 12/16/08 06:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

you 360 fans are hilarious, so die hard for absolutely no reason at all. the FACTS are that ps3 is a better made machine, blu-ray pwned haddvd, the online for both systems is the same yet one is more expensive. You get what you pay for.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #9444846 - 12/16/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard people claim that both systems are more expensive in almost consecutive posts.

Surely this must be an easy one to solve.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9445093 - 12/16/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

just straight up purchase price, ps3 is more expensive, but it's also wiser investment. In the long run, the money that you'll spend on online play, and system replacements couldve purchased many ps3's.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9445098 - 12/16/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I've heard people claim that both systems are more expensive in almost consecutive posts.

Surely this must be an easy one to solve.




haha, i don't know, every major cell phone company has the largest 3g network available...i saw a verizon and at&t commercial back to back, and both claimed the exact same thing.

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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #9445420 - 12/16/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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you 360 fans are hilarious, so die hard for absolutely no reason at all. the FACTS are that ps3 is a better made machine, blu-ray pwned haddvd, the online for both systems is the same yet one is more expensive. You get what you pay for.



Without a doubt the PS3 is a better machine...It's just that a better machine. It NOT a better game console in the slightest bit. All of it's console exclusives suck major ass (except MGS4 which was the weakest entry in the series IMO) and I mean that! This is coming out of a PS3 owners mouth.

It's seriously my favorite highdef multimedia machine. Seriously if you have an HD set up you should own a PS3 too, it's that good for movies, video, and music. Nothing in my opinion can touch the PS3 in terms of it's value as a HD multimedia machine. But if you're judging it as a gaming console then it really can't compare in any shape or form to the 360. The amount of AAA titles on the 360 is just nuts. Also it as a way better online community than the PS3. Way more gamers are online even at weird ass hours of the day. Try playing little big planet at certain times of night... I'll give you credit where credit is due. It's pretty lame that a company as rich as microsoft is charging for internet gaming. Thats something people should get free...

Also the wii as sad as it may sound has way more innovative games, way more fun games, and way more AAA titles than the PS3...theirs a reason why the 360 and the wii sell like hot cakes and the PS3 just sits on shelves....these are just my opinons and I'm not flaming you in the slightest bit. I'd say I'm one of the least bias people on the subject I own a PS3, a 360, and a Wii. I'm just throwing out my  :2cents:


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9445427 - 12/16/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

I love this debate.  Its always funny to watch people get so riled up about a stupid box that plays VIDEO GAMES!

As I've stated in the past, the most important factor is personal preference.  Put aside all your technical stats and comparisons and really it just comes down to what you prefer.  I love my PS3 and I've never seen an Xbox or the Xbox-live network do anything that I wish my Playstation could do.

My biggest factor in disliking the Xbox from the beginning is that clunky, piece of shit controller they designed for it.  I hate that thing!
...once again, personal preference. :shrug:


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #9445474 - 12/16/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I just wish there were more games for the PS3 that would hold my attention.  I only own two games, i just rent the rest.  Im usually able to beat the game within the week im allowed to have it.

Although I am pretty excited for killzone two, that's probably going to be a purchase for the multiplayer alone.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #9445503 - 12/16/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Jack Albertson said:
you 360 fans are hilarious, so die hard for absolutely no reason at all. the FACTS are that ps3 is a better made machine, blu-ray pwned haddvd, the online for both systems is the same yet one is more expensive. You get what you pay for.



Without a doubt the PS3 is a better machine...It's just that a better machine. It NOT a better game console in the slightest bit. All of it's console exclusives suck major ass (except MGS4 which was the weakest entry in the series IMO) and I mean that! This is coming out of a PS3 owners mouth.

It's seriously my favorite highdef multimedia machine. Seriously if you have an HD set up you should own a PS3 too, it's that good for movies, video, and music. Nothing in my opinion can touch the PS3 in terms of it's value as a HD multimedia machine. But if you're judging it as a gaming console then it really can't compare in any shape or form to the 360. The amount of AAA titles on the 360 is just nuts. Also it as a way better online community than the PS3. Way more gamers are online even at weird ass hours of the day. Try playing little big planet at certain times of night... I'll give you credit where credit is due. It's pretty lame that a company as rich as microsoft is charging for internet gaming. Thats something people should get free...

Also the wii as sad as it may sound has way more innovative games, way more fun games, and way more AAA titles than the PS3...theirs a reason why the 360 and the wii sell like hot cakes and the PS3 just sits on shelves....these are just my opinons and I'm not flaming you in the slightest bit. I'd say I'm one of the least bias people on the subject I own a PS3, a 360, and a Wii. I'm just throwing out my  :2cents:


thank you for sharing your opinion, but i'd like some facts as to why 360 is better. It just so happens that my opinions coincides with the reality of the situation.


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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #9445760 - 12/16/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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thank you for sharing your opinion, but i'd like some facts as to why 360 is better. It just so happens that my opinions coincides with the reality of the situation.




Read kloomies post, its a case closer.
Xbox FTW

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Re: CNN Money : Sony Playstation 3 A "Sinking Ship" [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #9445948 - 12/16/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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thank you for sharing your opinion, but i'd like some facts as to why 360 is better. It just so happens that my opinions coincides with the reality of the situation.




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