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FF13 has to be downgraded for 360
    #11033712 - 09/10/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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There is a bit of controversy over some comparison shots of Final Fantasy XIII from the previous build and the new build, which was distributed by Square Enix two months ago. There is an apparent downgrade in graphics on the new build and many gamers are blaming the Xbox 360 version of the game.

Things exploded globally over the Web earlier this week over comparison shots of the 2008 demo build with the recently released demo build from June 2009. Things started heating up over in Japan as multiple sites picked up the news with many gamers blaming the development of the Xbox 360 version as to the cause of the downgrade. The U.S. media then picked up the story and started reporting it.

As many of you already know when it comes to Final Fantasy XIII, I can be pretty bullish about how its being developed and how it will be delivered into my grubby hands. Early on in January, I blamed Microsoft and Square Enix for pushing back the release of Final Fantasy XIII after a hasty decision to add the Xbox 360 development to the production schedule.

Then confirmation really came in May that the Xbox 360 development truly is hampering the western release of the game. Yoshinori Kitase FFXIII producer revealed that the PS3 version is going through final polishing and main development has completed. He also revealed that Xbox 360 development hasn’t even started besides the basic engine modifications. Blaming localization was completely thrown out the window when Kitase also revealed that English voices are being recorded in conjunction with Japanese vocals.

Now multiple things are coming to light which could imply that the development on the Xbox 360 is having some adverse affects on the PS3 version. Kitase indicated that the team will make sure that the PS3 and Xbox 360 is as identical as possible. There seems to be some texture downgrades from the build on the Japanese Advent Children Blu-ray disc, which was released at the DKΣ3713 event in Japan August 2008 and from the new demo sent out in the international version of Advent Children DVD disc in June of 2009.

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Looking at the comparison shots, I have to agree with Kotaku there is a bit of change in textures from both versions. The visuals around the costumes and environments are not as sharp and detailed in the new build. There are also fewer polygons in the new build which is evident from the jaggy shoulders.

As I have stated previously, I could care less about what platform FFXIII lands on whether it be Xbox 360 or PC/Mac. However, I do care about games taking half a decade to complete and visual downgrades. Square Enix should let each version run at whatever capacity on each console and release the game as it finishes.

Since I have in my hands a copy of the original Japanese Advent Children Blu-ray disc with the FFXIII demo released at the DKΣ3713 event back in 2008, I should easily be able to do some comparison when either the Japanese retail version or international demo gets released. I have been playing the FFXIII demo lately and the graphics are stunning and it would be a shame if it were to be downgraded.




I think that should be the ultimate end to the ps3 vs 360 arguments. winner: ps3

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11033988 - 09/10/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yeah ps3 has better everything except shadows. I am glad they are releasing this for the 360 but disappointed they needed to compromise the graphics.
i will eventually pick my ps3 slim up but not until it reaches 2bills.

I am interested in seeing the comparison this article talks about though. Please post link to the source

found the link of the comparison

comparison link


Boy am i dissapoint



The ps3 rocks and if they need to worsen the gameplay graphics I say dont make it at all for other consoles.


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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: djmako7]
    #11037811 - 09/10/09 11:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

why would square enix go through the trouble to downgrade the graphics on the PS3? just release the 360 version with inferior textures, if that's really the case.

i still don't think we're getting the whole story though. the graphics from the original demo are so good that they almost look like the were pre-rendered. it's possible that square wasn't able to sustain that level of detail for the entire game and was forced to downscale that particular segment to make it match the rest. maybe.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: JT]
    #11039435 - 09/11/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

its a contractual thing... I thought it was in the article I posted, but maybe I read about that part somewhere else.

anyway, SE found a way around it by planning on releasing a different version of the game that is PS3 exclusive, and that will have a slight more amount of game content and the better graphics.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11039526 - 09/11/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Consoles, LOL

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11039664 - 09/11/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

oh i see. that's fucked.

i stand behind my 360 on most things but there's no arguing about that.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: JT]
    #11043149 - 09/11/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i don't think the other version of FF has anything to do with this.  when FF13 was first announced it wasn't even planned to go to the 360, and when FF13 was announced so was the other game.

i think SE decided they were putting so much development into this game that then needed to capitalize on it and maybe also for more funding so they could make the game even better(in other ways), to do so they needed more buyers.  but microsoft obviously is forcing them to make the games look the same as part of the deal.

its a no brainer that you can fit better resolution onto a bluray disc.  and as with most FF games there is usually ALOT of prerendering/movies involved.  its obvious they had to scale it down so the 360 version didn't need 10 discs

so i don't think it was planned at first, but i do think the end result will be that the other version of FF will end up being the better game


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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11059600 - 09/14/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunate, though I won't be buying the game anyways.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: Chespirito]
    #11064107 - 09/15/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Do you know how to hyperlink? Might want to try that on for size instead of pull quoting an entirely speculative article without attribution. Framing your garbage post in a divisive platform debate is in extra bad taste, I applaud you for the most worthless thread I have yet to see on this subsection  :sarcasticclap:

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: xeallos]
    #11064200 - 09/15/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I am a seriously butthurt xbox fanboy who refuses to admit that xbox is a vastly inferior machine compared to the PS3



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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11064215 - 09/15/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, didn't see that coming a mile away :rofl: why are you on a website for psychedelic substances if you act like a 12 year old on IGN? I'm not interested in platform debates, I'm interested in playing fun games, I don't care what they run on :nonono:

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11064230 - 09/15/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Graphics are the only thing that matters, and I have no idea what actually makes gaming fun.






:rolleyes:

OMFG, I can see a texture egde! This game is teh suck.

Puhleeze.

I could still have fun playing old school Rogue with ASCII graphics, because I'm not infatuated with how many billion polygons can be bitmapped or whatthefuckever.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #11064246 - 09/15/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you must have the imagination of a child to enjoy such works.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: JT]
    #11064282 - 09/15/09 02:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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you must have the imagination of a child to enjoy such works.




I have an incredibly vast and immersive imagination... from READING BOOKS, playing D&D and actually using my mind throughout my childhood, teens and twenties.

Unlike 99% of today's youth... lazy, mindless zombies who need to WATCH tv, movies and such.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #11064327 - 09/15/09 02:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i would like to know what you were imagining while you played D&D

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: JT]
    #11064822 - 09/15/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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i would like to know what you were imagining while you played D&D





read the hobbit, very similar details of how worlds are created with the mind.


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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: djmako7]
    #11064909 - 09/15/09 04:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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i would like to know what you were imagining while you played D&D




read the hobbit, very similar details of how worlds are created with the mind.





Yea honestly its sad that someone has such a lack of imagination they need to be presented with the imaginary world in its entirety to enjoy it.  The Lord of the Rings is a great example of that, Im sure JT can only handle the movies.

That said what bothers me here is the obvious pull of Microsoft making sure their console doesn't look inferior.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: Chespirito]
    #11065446 - 09/15/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it's true i was born without an imagination. :sad:

*fyi those posts were sarcastic. i get my nerd on from time to time.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: xeallos]
    #11065520 - 09/15/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, didn't see that coming a mile away :rofl: why are you on a website for psychedelic substances if you act like a 12 year old on IGN? I'm not interested in platform debates, I'm interested in playing fun games, I don't care what they run on :nonono:




this discussion isnt about how fun a game is. Outside of about 3 exclusives on each side, you can play the same games on both ps3 and xbox... oh but wait you can play all the ps1 and 2 games on the ps3... but besides that which would you rather play: Game X that is the exact same gameplay as Game Y, except it has way better graphics than game Y?

So yeah, ill continue to extol the superiority of the PS3... lets get a recap:

graphic - ps3 wins
processing power - ps3
most games - ps3
free online play - ps3
blu-ray - ps3

Sony: Total assets ▲ US$ 230.5Billion (2009)
Total equity ▲ US$ 50 Billion (2009)
Subsidiaries

[edit] Film and television production and distribution

    * Sony Pictures Entertainment, including:
          o Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group
                + Columbia Pictures
                      # TriStar Pictures
                + Screen Gems
                + Sony Pictures Classics
                + Destination Films
                + Triumph Films
                + Stage 6 Films
                + Affirm Films
          o Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
          o Sony Pictures Television
                + Culver Entertainment
                + Sony Pictures Television International
                      # Animax
                      # 2waytraffic
          o Mandalay Entertainment (partial interest)
          o Phoenix Pictures (partial interest) *
          o MGM Holdings, Inc. (20%)
                + Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios, Inc.
                      # Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures, Inc.
                      # United Artists Corp.
                            * United Artists Entertainment LLC.
                      # Orion Pictures Corporation
                      # MGM Television
                      # MGM Home Entertainment

[edit] Music business

    * Sony/ATV Music Publishing (50%)
    * Sony Music Entertainment Inc.
          o Columbia Records - popular music
          o Epic Records - popular music
          o Legacy Recordings - rare and collectible in many genres
          o Sony BMG Masterworks - classical music
          o Sony BMG Nashville - country music
          o Zomba Label Group

[edit] Video and online games

    * Sony Computer Entertainment - PlayStation
          o Japan Studio
          o Team ICO
          o Clap Hanz
          o Polyphony Digital
          o Naughty Dog
          o SCE Studios Santa Monica
          o SCE Studio San Diego
          o Sony Bend
          o Incognito Entertainment
          o Zipper Interactive
          o London Studio
          o Studio Cambridge
          o Studio Liverpool
          o Guerrilla Games
          o Evolution Studios
          o Bigbig Studios
    * Sony Online Entertainment


Microsoft:

Total assets ▲ US$ 72.793 billion (2008)[6]
Total equity ▲ US$ 36.286 billion (2008)[6]










just admit it... people are now buying extremely superior machines, backed by a superior company, at the same price you bought your overpriced machine designed in the 1990's.

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Re: FF13 has to be downgraded for 360 [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #11065731 - 09/15/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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oh but wait you can play all the ps1 and 2 games on the ps3... but besides that which would you rather play: .





No you cannot.  The first ps3's that came out with the four usb's in the front can play psx and ps2 games, but they wanted to lower the price and made the ps3 non backwards compatible with psx and ps2 and only have 2 usb's in the front along with taking out the card readers above the usb.


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