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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Chespirito]
    #9924881 - 03/06/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i cant wait until cross platform multiplayer comes around... just to show you guys that PC is not the way to go... because PS3 and gaybox would destroy pc players.

sure, i know that more games come out on pc than anything, (even though the majority are shit and when it comes down to it holds very few proprietary games to date) but how can you consider yourself a serious gamer without a dedicated gaming computer?
the only thing that pc really has a hold on is mmorpgs, which is what I use my computer for.

plus your opinion is invalid since you think cod4 was mediocre.

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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9925241 - 03/06/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well the reason that FPS games are better on the computer is that it takes more skill.  The mouse combo gives you much better control and accuracy than a control pad ever could.  Im sure on the xbox version theres probably a slight auto aim feature that they implement to correct for this.  A straight PC version on xbox, you would get tore up by the good PC players


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Chespirito]
    #9925712 - 03/06/09 09:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i dont see how it takes more skill. you are using 1 analog controller, while the ps3 user is utilizing 2 analog controls at all times.

if by skill you mean that it is more of a pain in the ass to control... then sure. pc wins hands down.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9925776 - 03/06/09 09:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

There's no bullshit with a mouse.  Counter Strike has the aiming set up where if you aren't pointing directly at a persons head you aren't getting a head shot.  Try implementing that on a console, wont ever happen.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Chespirito]
    #9925907 - 03/06/09 10:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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its the best FPS there is. it will only be beaten when cod6 comes out.





not really, in 2007-08 it was the cream of the crop I agree, BadCo is far better then cod4 in my opinion way better graphics the gameplay is alot better plus you can blow almost the entire enviorment up and drive tanks/helicopters with incredible dynamics. Then killzone2 came out and cod4 has lost its spark. Sorry to say it son, but cod4's time is waring thin.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: snoot]
    #9926537 - 03/07/09 12:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if cod4 lost its spark then why do so many people still play it?

the message boards are littered with people saying "already over kz2, back to cod4".

ive got 100 people on my friends list and last week it was 90% KZ, and about an hour ago it was 90% cod4.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9926864 - 03/07/09 02:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Even if Cod4 has lost it's spark (although I disagree since I find many people growing tired of CodWaw and going back to 4), then it will still be seen as highly influential.

Chespirito: Maybe there's an autoaim feature and I've just missed it, but I'll be damned if I don't point my "cursor" at a dude's head I'm not going to get a head shot.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that PC games require more skill, but I think the time is coming where that's less of a valid argument. People are getting more and more used to playing FPS with their thumbs instead of on a WASD and mouse. It used to be if I wanted to play with other people I had to either use my PC or use system link (even as recently as the first Halo.) Now it's not so. Soon enough there will be no difference.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: jewunit]
    #9926948 - 03/07/09 03:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its just not possible to get the level of accuracy you can get with a mouse.  I dont see how you could claim otherwise.  I feel that is so self-evident that theres no reason to explain what I mean further.  A thumbstick with like an inch of movement in either direction, vs. a mouse that can move literally a foot or more?  Your gonna say you can get the same level of response?


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Chespirito]
    #9927265 - 03/07/09 08:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They're two completely different things.
I'm just saying people are getting better, and it won't be too long 'til they are good enough where the mouse isn't the superior FPS control.

I wish there was cross-console abilities because I've been curious for a while to see what the difference really is.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: snoot]
    #9927468 - 03/07/09 09:45 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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BadCo is far better then cod4




Not the slightest chance.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Redstorm]
    #9927568 - 03/07/09 10:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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i cant wait until cross platform multiplayer comes around... just to show you guys that PC is not the way to go... because PS3 and gaybox would destroy pc players.





Have you actually played counter strike? That will never happen because console players would just be getting constantly shot in the head. If you really think you can play with a controller vs. mouse players just go buy one for your pc. You wouldn't have a chance seriously. There are pc players out there who can get a headshot within about 1/2 a second of someone entering their screen no problems.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Redstorm]
    #9927861 - 03/07/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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BadCo is far better then cod4




Not the slightest chance.





I think it is, at first I didnt enjoy badCo but after playing it for a bit and getting used to it, cause the shooting and aiming is a bit different from cod it is alot of fun.

I had a majority of people on my friends list playing cod4 now its all dominated by killzone so I guess this is a silly argument, I'm just stating observations.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: jewunit]
    #9928701 - 03/07/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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They're two completely different things.
I'm just saying people are getting better, and it won't be too long 'til they are good enough where the mouse isn't the superior FPS control.

I wish there was cross-console abilities because I've been curious for a while to see what the difference really is.



Like I said just look at your range of motion.  You can move a little stick in a direction about an inch.  How do you expect to get fine movement control vs. a mouse?  It literally makes no sense to me.  Now I still enjoy console games, including FPS games.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9928890 - 03/07/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just bought this now and i'm back on CoD4 already. I've only been playing an hour so maybe i just need to get used to it, but the controls feel slow and clunky. The dudes take too many bullets to kill so i'm tempted to start again on the moderate level just because it's fuckin annoying, i never have to do that.

I haven't had my PS3 that long but i'll add some of your names for CoD battles and shit once i figure out how it all works,, if ya don't mind,, :grin: .

My name is Halcyon_Daze- for anyone who wants it.

I'm a CoD4 addict,, :lol: .


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Mike_yy]
    #9931054 - 03/07/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i think bf2 is the funniest game out still, except for the hacks of course.  as for consoles and killzone 2, i thought it sucked really bad at first, mainly because i really havn't played a fps shooter on a console since like goldeneye lol.  i mean seriously a gampad is so freaking inferier to a keyboard and mouse, i almost through my controller into the tv.  the entire time im playing im just sitting there going turn turn turn up down god damit go where i told you to go!! :crankey:

im doing much better now, and i think killzone is pretty cool.  but i still can't aim right, and i still find myself having trouble focusing on things correctly.  with a mouse i can move the screen like im moving my eyes, that does not happen for me on a console so its really annoying.

i picked up team fortress 2 recently so i havn't played killzone as much as i should be, but ill prob hit it up tomorrow and add some of you guys


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #9931192 - 03/07/09 10:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yah, I'm not sure how people can play some games on a console.

RTS and FPS, for sure.

It's nearly impossible.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9931270 - 03/07/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would struggle on a PC,, consoles are all i know.


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: Chespirito]
    #9932308 - 03/08/09 05:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Its just not possible to get the level of accuracy you can get with a mouse.  I dont see how you could claim otherwise.  I feel that is so self-evident that theres no reason to explain what I mean further.  A thumbstick with like an inch of movement in either direction, vs. a mouse that can move literally a foot or more?  Your gonna say you can get the same level of response?




im willing to bet that i can rotate in 360 just as fast as any mouse sensitivity.

you ever seen cod4 on 10 sensitivity? by pushing the analog stick all the way over you can get about 10 rotations a second... it is so fast that even if you had a p90 with double tap, and a circle of people around you, and you just held down fire and spun in a circle you would still only hit every other person.

what are you amazed that people hip shot you with the r700 from across the map? that shit happens on every platform. the only reason pc puts up higher scores and kill numbers is because you can have 50 people on shipment. just get an m60 and spray and pray.

there is just no way that wasd + mouse can beat two analog sticks, especially when there are way more dynamics to dodging and aiming, such as: crouching, dropping to prone, side stepping, and jumping.
if one hand is dedicated to just aiming and shooting, and you got 5 fingers on the other hand for left, right, back, forth, and say jumping, that leaves you moving your hand to another key for crouch or prone.
the console controllers are designed to do all of that and more using 6 fingers.

even the doubling of analog controllers proves to me that console controllers are superior. just on one analog stick that is controlled with only one thumb controls the x and y axis fps movement and knifing, while the other stick controls the x and y time movement (by this i mean forward, back, left right) as well as the option to run.
compare that to either putting auto run on, which basically leaves you with no option to save your speed boost for when you really need it, or expend a finger to do so.

its retarded to think that a keyboard and a mouse that were originally designed for MS paint and spreadsheets could rival a controller solely designed for gaming.

i dont see how you dont get that. i dont care how good you are at not looking at your keyboard, the second you have to move your hand away from the wasd position you are wasting time... especially when you have to reload or switch weapons....

and dont even get me started on trigger pulls... i can make the G3 or the usp look like i have a turbo controller because i can shoot so fast. its basically the reason you say "pull the trigger" rather than "push the trigger"... my R1 button on my PS3 can click 5x faster than a mouse button.

the console controller is by far more accurate and is just as fast, if not faster.


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    #9935708 - 03/08/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Its just not possible to get the level of accuracy you can get with a mouse.  I dont see how you could claim otherwise.  I feel that is so self-evident that there's no reason to explain what I mean further.  A thumbstick with like an inch of movement in either direction, vs. a mouse that can move literally a foot or more?  Your gonna say you can get the same level of response?




im willing to bet that i can rotate in 360 just as fast as any mouse sensitivity.

you ever seen cod4 on 10 sensitivity? by pushing the analog stick all the way over you can get about 10 rotations a second... it is so fast that even if you had a p90 with double tap, and a circle of people around you, and you just held down fire and spun in a circle you would still only hit every other person.

what are you amazed that people hip shot you with the r700 from across the map? that shit happens on every platform. the only reason pc puts up higher scores and kill numbers is because you can have 50 people on shipment. just get an m60 and spray and pray.

there is just no way that wasd + mouse can beat two analog sticks, especially when there are way more dynamics to dodging and aiming, such as: crouching, dropping to prone, side stepping, and jumping.
if one hand is dedicated to just aiming and shooting, and you got 5 fingers on the other hand for left, right, back, forth, and say jumping, that leaves you moving your hand to another key for crouch or prone.
the console controllers are designed to do all of that and more using 6 fingers.

even the doubling of analog controllers proves to me that console controllers are superior. just on one analog stick that is controlled with only one thumb controls the x and y axis fps movement and knifing, while the other stick controls the x and y time movement (by this i mean forward, back, left right) as well as the option to run.
compare that to either putting auto run on, which basically leaves you with no option to save your speed boost for when you really need it, or expend a finger to do so.

its retarded to think that a keyboard and a mouse that were originally designed for MS paint and spreadsheets could rival a controller solely designed for gaming.

i dont see how you dont get that. i dont care how good you are at not looking at your keyboard, the second you have to move your hand away from the wasd position you are wasting time... especially when you have to reload or switch weapons....

and dont even get me started on trigger pulls... i can make the G3 or the usp look like i have a turbo controller because i can shoot so fast. its basically the reason you say "pull the trigger" rather than "push the trigger"... my R1 button on my PS3 can click 5x faster than a mouse button.

the console controller is by far more accurate and is just as fast, if not faster.




i'm convinced you haven't gamed on a computer since ms paint was first developed.  and there's no way you can pull a trigger, an R1 button, or any other button on a current consoles controller faster than a good gaming mouses left clicker, while still being able to accurately aim for a head shot.  and i just realized what a consoles joystick feels like when im trying to aim, its like trying to aim with a keypad which also reminds me its alot faster to switch directions on a keyboard

but really if you wanna know the difference between gaming on a console and gaming on the computer, ill tell you how to mod a original xbox's controller and set it up to work on computer games.  or you can use microsofts new xbox 360 on the computer to, but i think you have to buy a reciever for that to work.  and i would own you so bad in CSS or any other FPS


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Re: Killzone 2 owns! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #9937964 - 03/09/09 03:00 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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even the doubling of analog controllers proves to me that console controllers are superior. just on one analog stick that is controlled with only one thumb controls the x and y axis fps movement and knifing, while the other stick controls the x and y time movement (by this i mean forward, back, left right) as well as the option to run.
compare that to either putting auto run on, which basically leaves you with no option to save your speed boost for when you really need it




You are really reaching in this post.  Specifically this line:

'compare that to either putting auto run on, which basically leaves you with no option to save your speed boost for when you really need it'

Huh?  You realize you have a whole keyboard at your disposal?  Like you couldnt just push shift or something.

Anyways you are missing the basic reality of this.  If I see a guy at the corner of my screen who is far away and I want to move my gun to point at him.  On a console controller I have a tiny stick that can move a grand total of one inch.  In that one inch I have to move the stick to the perfect position.  A mouse I can move it literally one foot.  Now lets divide up these lengths.  You are claiming that with a control stick you can perfectly subdivide up that one inch to get a headshot by knowing exactly how far to push this little stick.  You must have a magic thumb to pull that off.  On a mouse I have an entire foot, its easy to put your cursor on exactly the right pixel you want.  The accuracy is no contest, You are literally the first fanboy I have ever heard seriously try to argue that accuracy is better on a controller.  As the gentleman above me has said, put your controller to use and play some computer games.  Im sure you can hook it up to COD4 PC version somehow, test the reality of your controller theory my man.


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