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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Icelander]
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Information is free. :slaves:


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The Great Mycelium (TGMM) is more than you and me, we are all part of One.

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
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That's a pretty stupid statement.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Icelander]
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information isn't free, but it's pretty fucking cheap these days. It doesn't cost anything to copy or distribute information anymore, sorry.

The problem isn't that people are copying and sharing information, it's that the old models are outdated.

Find a better model to facilitate exchange of money and information-production (which costs time), and then you'll solve the piracy "problem".


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"This day is a lover..."

~Rumi

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
Find a better model to facilitate exchange of money and information-production (which costs time), and then you'll solve the piracy "problem".


Exactly.  :thumbup:


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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. It doesn't cost anything to copy or distribute information anymore, sorry.

Why should I be sorry?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Soounds like you are looking for a way to rationalize theft. If you look hard enough, you will come up with some lame reason to justify it.

If you spent many thousands of hours developing something, would you want people to take it for free so that your compensation for hard work and time is minimized?

I developed a program that took me 10 years and I made about 5 cents an hour because of piracy. Guess how many other similar programs I developed?


\shut up


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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: desant]
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Free Will, bro...  No??:frown:

Tricksters...??:what:

What do they want?

?

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: TheBalance]
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why do you need dreamweaver? there are free programs

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Freedom]
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Freedom said:
why do you need dreamweaver? there are free programs


All programs are free. :pride:


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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Icelander]
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The internet is an historic rebound in the spectres of economic idealism:

Once it was the capitalist who rejected the contrived idealism of marx, in favor of the "natural" seizure of assets/property. With the realization of the internet though, this ethical situation is mirrored. Of this one time "ideal" metaphysic, one could positively say that the ideal has been materially realized as information. To that there is no more material burden than the bitrate of the stream!

Or one could say in the negative on the other hand, that the notion of asset/property central to capitalist ideology, being positively dependent upon material reality, is reduced to absurdum. That is to say, it has now become the absurd burden of the capitalist to posit or construct his idealism in face of the "disappearance" of material conditioning. The "bitter truth of material human nature", or "the best we can practically realize" (if not quite just), has become a moralistic plea in the new found need to posit this material condition. That materiality is not of nature though, as the natural medium has inverted this condition. Material conditioning is now the contrived idealism of the market demand. Thus the capitalist now expects us to imagine these burdens of material, or even go so far to program limitations into the natural medium. In other words, it now has the burden of a constructed, rather than "natural" ethic.

But when people say "information is free" they are not talking about any subtle opposing or underlying sense of justice, as say, the Capitalist was in "fair exchange" to the Marxist. They are not speaking of justice, but of what is simply and evidently free - materially, or spatially. So while the pirates may demonstrate a "natural seizure" that perfectly reflects the incentive once held dearly in the rhetoric of the capitalists, it isn't followed with the relative deprivation of property for others that became the chauvinistic sentiment, a violent sense of "honor", and finally the "justice" that the capitalists cling to. It is simply the copying of information that is out there, an extension of the mind and memory.

So the capitalist's sentimentality is now seen for what it really is, and always was. A positive sentiment for materialism. We may now observe the culmination of capitalistic fetish: the utter imagination that information is somehow actually owned. That idealism was always present in their ethic, but now we have come to a practical realization of it, by turning that same ideal on its head, through the advent of technology. Now we see that same ideal through the same material lens, as an empty and impotent vessel of moralistic sentiment. Yes, the capitalist is no longer the grim, but practical and realistic naturalist, but the chiding moralist who can now only cry "Repent sinners!"

The genealogy of ideals/morals, as rhetorically constructed:

Marxist sentiment

to

Capitalist (sentiment)

to...?


Edited by daytripper23 (01/15/10 04:11 AM)

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: daytripper23]
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"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
  Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
  And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
  The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
  And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
  The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
  He went galumphing back.

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
  Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
  He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
  Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
  And the mome raths outgrabe.

-Lewis Carol

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I knew you find a justification - however weak. :thumbdown:




WHAT??? Its NOT weak at all.

Like i said, if i was the programmer and some broke dude wanted to use my program , TO STUDY, i wouldnt mind it

if i was to use it to write websites and then charge $$$ for it, thats a whole different story


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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
:satansmoking: Got yer soul anyway home boy.

:hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire:



Are you speaking to Nunbuh_Chrubble ?


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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: daytripper23]
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Although I have a lot of trouble with your verbal skills which are mostly beyond my scope, I think I get it. Very interesting, good points,great post.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: desant]
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desant said:
Icelander said:
:satansmoking: Got yer soul anyway home boy.

:hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire::hellfire:



Are you speaking to Nunbuh_Chrubble ?



Well that would be why I posted it to him now wouldn't it?:tongue:

But since I'm here, it doesn't seem you are doing anything important with your soul. :hellfire:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: desant]
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Are you fucking serious? If you are dude then you should stop taking drugs and maybe see your doctor for some thorazine. Entities telling you not to download stuff....wow....


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The most thoroughly and relentlessly damned, banned, excluded, condemned, suppressed,brutalized and defamed of all Damned Things is the individual human being. The social engineers, are perpetually forcing this Damned Thing into carefully prepared blueprints and perpetually irritated that the Damned Thing will not fit into the slot assigned to it. The theologians call it a sinner and try to reform it The governor calls it a criminal and tries to punish it The psychotherapist calls it a neurotic and tries to cure it. Still, the Damned Thing will not fit into their slots. -Robert Anton Wilson

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: daytripper23]
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Quote:
...I think I get it. Very interesting, good points,great post.:thumbup:


Absolutely!:cheers:

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: TheBalance]
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I've actually had similar thoughts about the "karmic" after effect of pirating peoples books and movies. I don't feel bad when it comes to corporations such as Microsoft and 20th Cent. Fox, but I do when it comes to authors. What I think I'm going to do is, if a book was written within the last 7 years and I got something positive out of it - I'll find that author's website and donate him $5 paypal (most have donate links for this reason I'd assume). Therefore, you get the book for half price and the author makes probably 5 times what the publisher would give him. Win Win. These larger corporations have been raping the public for years though, I see the internet and free media as an equalizer in respect to them.

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: TheBalance]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I don't get to take an Aston Martin just because I am unable to afford it.


If you could download a copy of that Aston Martin without actually depriving a dealership of one, would it still be "stealing" to you?

I find it more immoral for people to charge 200 quid for software than for some starving college student to rapidshare himself a copy of it. We all need to pay rent/mortgage/tuition, not everybody has £200+ to piss away on a few lines of code.

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tony serro said:
Are you fucking serious? If you are dude then you should stop taking drugs and maybe see your doctor for some thorazine. Entities telling you not to download stuff....wow....


THIS ^^^


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"All creatures want to believe in something bigger than themselves. They cannot live without blind obedience. And to escape the pressure of that trust, those in whom faith is placed in turn look for someone higher than themselves. And then those people in turn look for someone even stronger. This is how all kings are born. This is how all Gods are born."-Sōsuke Aizen

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Re: is it wrong (spiritually) to use a warez version of Dreamweaver?? [Re: Aizen-sama]
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This what exactly? Sorry if I might have hurt his feelings (sarcasm) he's obviously thinking straight if he's taking advice from "beings" he met while intoxicated about pirated software. :lol:


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The most thoroughly and relentlessly damned, banned, excluded, condemned, suppressed,brutalized and defamed of all Damned Things is the individual human being. The social engineers, are perpetually forcing this Damned Thing into carefully prepared blueprints and perpetually irritated that the Damned Thing will not fit into the slot assigned to it. The theologians call it a sinner and try to reform it The governor calls it a criminal and tries to punish it The psychotherapist calls it a neurotic and tries to cure it. Still, the Damned Thing will not fit into their slots. -Robert Anton Wilson

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