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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Swami]
    #1171340 - 12/26/02 01:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Mankind was wrong in creating God. We are as close to "creators" as we've found so far. We should get credit; for now, anyway.


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Offline3eyedgod
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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1171408 - 12/26/02 01:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Of course, 'discernment' is itself a 'spiritual gift' given to actual Christians, and since you are obviously not a Christian, you are likely to be deceived and to form opinions based on Christian-colored political movements like the Christian Right, who merely are into the status quo, are not seekers, or Christian mystics.

So Christians are just "given" the gift of being to "discern" eh. I see so "true" Christians have the final say (on earth), of what is good, what is bad, who is smart, who is stupid, what god's will is, and what "sin" is. "True" christians are the only one's who can know truth, know true divinity, and those of us who are not Christian/Christian mystics/ seekers (I assume seekers of Christ's truth is what you are refering to), are just easily deceived sheep, readily controlled by the status quo.

"True" christians sound a bit arrogant, don't they.


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Sclorch]
    #1171877 - 12/26/02 05:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Being a reasonably 'deep' person, I recognize, as do Hasidic Jews, that Scriptures have at least 4 levels of interpretation: literal, allegorical, symbolic and mystical.

I agree with you that there is much use of metaphor in the New Testament, but there is also a greater degree of 'midrash,' which is an ancient Hebrew technique of storytelling, that is intended to convey a spiritual reality or truth. The New Testament spans a number of years, has many authors and different agendas. The letters of Paul are the oldest and most genuine, while the newer Gospel accounts with their contradictions, all derive from Mark, and his from early oral traditions. None of them were intended to actually be historically accurate accounts - they are midrash, written by 1st century men to a 1st century audience. No reporter for the Bethlehem Gazette was taking notes at some manger while an astronomical anomally illuminated the scene. Much of this is the language of myth, with many commonalities to other sacred traditions.

Your Zen interpretation, or any interpretation from without the contect of 1st century Judea is simply erroneous. You can be as creative as you like by attempting to view these stories from a Buddhist , Hindu or whatever perspective, but there is no real internal validity to what you are proposing. To a Hindu, Jesus may be an avatar. To a Buddhist, Jesus is a bodhisattva. To the Muslims, Jesus is a prophet. To the Jews, Jesus is a real problem.

If you've ever read my posts, or read my recommendation to read John Shelby Spong, you'd know that I am not a literalist. The literal is but one level, like this drama literally occurred in 1st century Jerusalem, and there literally was a Y'shua ben Miriam - Jesus, son of Mary, who was crucified by the Romans. A Roman record names a "certain Chrestus" [in which Christos was misinterpreted, but Chrestos nevertheless means 'kind']. I am not literal about anything else, nor am I certain about anything else having been done or said, literally. Nevertheless, Jesus the Christ is my Lord and spiritual Master.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1173105 - 12/27/02 06:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

It seems as though the only difference between you, a "true" Christian, and, say, John Ashcroft, is that you are pro-drug. You show the same arrogance and egotisical characteristics that any other of the Christian Right show. When you belive that you are right and everyone else is wrong, you have justified in your own mind that you have the right to tell others what to do. Some channel this self-righteousness into anti-drug or anti-abortion rhetoric, some are content simply to tell others they are going to hell.


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1173828 - 12/27/02 12:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i told my friend his god made this stuff, so he must want us to use it, he said he didnt make it, satan did...i didnt know satan how the power to do that...religions cause more bad then good, all they are good for is a guide to live. i used to be a catholic, then i relized i didnt believe in all that jesus mumbo jumbo..now im nothing..im considering becoming a buddhist..that religion sounds amazing. can buddhists take drugs?


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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: Anonymous]
    #1173949 - 12/27/02 01:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

It is YOU that happens to be telling me what I think. It is you who is arrogant. Everything you mentioned is in your own mind, I never said or alluded to any of it - least of all who is going to Hell. What is more, you obviously have received abuse of some variety at the hands of someone who called him/herself a Christian, because you obviously have emotionally laden issues and an ax to grind. Go bang your own little ego against a wall instead of venting on me - you're not my client.

Lastly, I am not "pro-drug" [where are you getting this stuff from anyway?!]. Everything that one imbibes alters one's consciousness - even water. Mushrooms are living organisms that happen to contain substances that are structurally similar to our neurotransmitter serotonin, and while technically classified a 'drug,' it does not 'drug' a person anymore than it 'poisons' a person, though all the field guides also classify psilocybian species as 'poisonous.'


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OfflineMurex
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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: PinkEchoes]
    #1174267 - 12/27/02 05:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't God make Satan according to the Bible?


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1174310 - 12/27/02 06:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Be kind and compassionate as often as you can.

Stonedfish's grandfather died Christmas day.

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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1174655 - 12/28/02 05:39 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So you see,"God" and "wrong" cannot be used intelligently in the seme sentence

Of course, 'discernment' is itself a 'spiritual gift' given to actual Christians, and since you are obviously not a Christian, you are likely to be deceived

It is YOU that happens to be telling me what I think. It is you who is arrogant.


You are not fooling anyone - your condescending nature is showing through on all your posts. Saying God and wrong cannot be used intelligenly is your attempt to call me ignorant.

You say I can't discern between a sheep and a wolf in sheeps clothing, yet you're the one blindly following a God who has shown NO proof of his existance, and you call me arrogant for telling you what you're thinking? If I were telling you what you're thinking, you wouldn't be so faithful to a mythical creature.

You also say you never told me I am going to hell, but yet again, there was no need for it. I have met countless Christians like you, who will try to wear me down by insulting my beliefs and my statements and try to instil their beliefs in me. Goes God let us unenlightened heathens, us poor non-Christians who have NO discernment and are easily decieved into Heaven?

Try putting for an arguement, not insulting all those who disagree with you.


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    #1174665 - 12/28/02 05:46 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: God Was Wrong [Re: ]
    #1174708 - 12/28/02 06:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Depends on what definition you use:

A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

An image of a supernatural being; an idol.

One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.

A very handsome man.

A powerful ruler or despot.

In italics is the definition I go by. Consult a dictionary before you put "by definition" in anything you write, or say for that matter.


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