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Are the pyramids spiritual?
    #2290305 - 01/31/04 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The pyramids in Egypt are considered a very spiritual place. I think they are to, but I have one problem with them.

They were built using slaves.

Is my thinking wrong on this? It seems wrong to me to consider a place that was built with the suffering of slaves, spiritual. So is it a monument to slavery or spiritual power point?




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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290311 - 01/31/04 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

heh, ive had dreams about being in the pyramids, they have "resonated" with me for a long time, even when i was a kid.

The "spirituality" is distorted i think in some respect when you consider the fact that slaves built it, but it still has that power to invoke awe. Its grand size make it almost hard not have it affect one so much. If you went to the pyramids and never knew slaves had built it, it may be very spiritual.

Say you knew your whole family built it and died building it in slavery, you would probably have lots of anger, but that structure itself woudl invoke a lot of emotion, and its size i think would only magnify it. Considering the laborous, tiresome process that was required to build it.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290317 - 01/31/04 08:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They were built using slaves.



My understanding is that there is no evidence to support this claim. It is just as likely that they used paid labor. Another theory I've heard is that they had a sort of compulsory "pyramid service," kind of like military service, where people were drafted to work on the pyramid for a certain amount of time, and then went back to their farms. This seems quite plausible, since the flooding of the Nile made it impossible for people to work on their farms during certain times of the year, and therefore they would have had to do some other kind of labor during the rest of the year.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290329 - 01/31/04 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was under the impression that most of the people involved in the building of the pyramids were doing it voluntarily for their gods. Like a sense of duty or something, and that they lived in working groups in lots of camps. I think I saw it on some special on the Discovery Channel.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2290342 - 01/31/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Either The History Channel or The Discover Channel said they used slaves. I forget which.

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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290363 - 01/31/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is it still a 'mystery' as to how the Pyramids were built?



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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290368 - 01/31/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Either The History Channel or The Discover Channel said they used slaves. I forget which.



I've seen both of those channels question that assumption.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2290369 - 01/31/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty much.




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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2290380 - 01/31/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you're right.




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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290385 - 01/31/04 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not saying they weren't built by slaves, but I'm saying we don't have any proof that they were, and there is even some evidence which points to the contrary.

However, I do think that the pyramids are representations of the propaganda that is organized religion. The pharaohs who had absolute political control over the masses also exercised absolute religious control by convincing the people that they were gods and therefore the people must build these large, elaborate tombs for them. Of course, the joke was eventually on them as looters later came in robbed these pharaohs.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2290396 - 01/31/04 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm glad that there's no proof of it. I just assumed it was true when the History Channel(?) said it. Although, maybe I misunderstood, to.

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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290404 - 01/31/04 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why does it matter if they were built by the slaves or not? The Egyptians still had slavery anyway, even if it wasn't used to build these monuments. Of course, all those slaves and slave-owners have been dead for thousands of years anyway, so even that doesn't matter all that much either.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Learyfan]
    #2290414 - 01/31/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Incedentaly, do you realize that it would have been impossible for us to go to the moon without Adolf Hitler?

Nazi scientists ran many experiments on the Jews in their concentration camps. One of these was to put a poor dude into a pressure chamber and keep turning the pressure up until his head exploded. They would meticulously measure how much pressure a human being could stand.

When the US was launching its first manned expeditions to space, the relied heavily on this Nazi data (which the US govt accquired in Operation Paperclip) when constructing the space suit. No consciounable labs could have done these experiments, only the inhuman Nazis could have.

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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2290446 - 01/31/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Question: What good has it done for us to go to the moon? How has Neil Armstrong improved your life? Alas, those Jews still died in vain.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2290456 - 01/31/04 09:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the earth is doomed, one way or another.

space is our only hope.

I would love to see the humans colonize space. If we can make it that far. Can you imagine growing up in an environment with no up, down, left, or right? Can you imagine being able to cruise the galaxy in your own personal starship? Hopping from planet to planet, drinking strange intoxicating beverages and fucking exotic female beings?

I think i would be a pirate. "WE ARE DOCKING YOUR SHIP. HAND OVER YOUR CARGO OR PREPARE TO BE ATOMIZED." Either that or I would be a smuggler like Han Solo.

Someday.

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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2290460 - 01/31/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shakespeare once said, "Thou owest God a death." I believe this is true just as much for mankind as for individuals. I'd rather have mankind destroy itself than go on to destroy another planet.


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2290467 - 01/31/04 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

bullshit.

god designed you to have survival instincts. And when the time comes, you've no choice but to use them. Morals or no morals.

oh yah, and no one owes god shit. God works pro bono. thats why he's my nigga!


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2290518 - 01/31/04 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dont let your pessimism destroy your since of judgement my friend :wink: .

If we are to abandon all that we have come from and all that has created us, (the earth), are we not already doomed to failure? If we have not been able to come to grips with the ill decisions we have made, what is to say that we will survive elsewhere?

How are we to even THINK that we have the ability to get to some other planet in some other star sytem, or livable planet, WITH resources, in a scenario that would keep us from destroying oour own planet here beforehand?

I dont think we will stand up, if we cant even wake up. People need to deal with certain issues. A healthy persuit of scientific knowledge regarding space may not be a bad thing.

But to ignore the problems that we face, and trying to escape... i dont think its going to work. You may be right, i might be wrong.

But i wouldnt abandon hopes of trying to solve the problems in the here and now.

Way too many people give up everday slaving themselves away never caring about anything else.

If we cant ever step outside of where we are, (which doesnt have to be "space") but the rat race, how will we EVEr be able to think of greater prospects?

There is no running away. even if you could, would you really want to?


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2290542 - 01/31/04 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what about when all that created us (the sun) goes supernova and turns into a nebula, so that it may give rise to new stars and new worlds? 

If the human race is supposed to survive (and it may not be) you can rest assured that we will eventually leave earth.  The earth is impermenant, but humans do not have to be, if we do not choose to be. 

Unfortunately it looks like we are already headed down the wrong road.  Silversoul might be right- maybe its better that way.

any way, no one can say they have either a right or an obligation to this life. The universe is the ultimate free lunch- take it or leave it.  Me, I wanna eat the whole thing before it rots.  But I guess most people choke at its taste and send it back.  Pussies.

BTW I'm very stoned rite now.  these are obviously incoherent rantings :nut:


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Re: Are the pyramids spiritual? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2290548 - 01/31/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If the human race is supposed to survive (and it may not be) you can rest assured that we will eventually leave earth. The earth is impermenant, but humans do not have to be, if we do not choose to be.



This strikes me as rather arrogant. To think that we could outlast our own sun, especially considering how many resources we use up as a species, is foolish.


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