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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: jim617]
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Well, I've got $1.29 in my PayPal account I can put towards the article, if anybody wants to buy it and post it.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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1 euro here. :thumbup:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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aight doc.. if we can get together 10 bucks from everyone else ill cover the remaining 15 just so we can see exactly how this hole thing pans out.. either way should be interesting :smile:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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PM me your PayPal addy. :thumbup: Or add a new email address and post it, then remove it from the account when you have enough money.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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:thumbup: Same for me.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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This sounds pretty dubious to me, but seems like a legit article.  Some university in Iran published the research.

Questions (just from the abstract):
-Why do they call it 'harvest lighting conditions' wtf is that?

-The study seems to be measuring only psilocin content in DRIED mushrooms.  As I understand it, drying destroys psilocin, right?

-Why did they study only psilocin content if they were interested in medicinal uses - what about psilocybin and other alkaloids/tryptamines?

-Is it possible that this would change only one and not the other, thereby only effecting fresh consumption?


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: gornyhuy]
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gornyhuy said:
-Why do they call it 'harvest lighting conditions' wtf is that?


My guess is that's what we would call 'cropping'. You've grown mycelium, then you harvest mushrooms. BICBW.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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koopa_troopa said:
I agree with ya leopard Im not saying for sure its be all end all truth.. who knows.. but given the abstract it does seem they followed proper scientific protocol, but alas.. were in the dark until we can get a peak at the materials and methods

It is however, well known that psilocin degrades very easily from exposure to light, oxygen and heat when in liquid solution form, which is probably much more unstable than contained within the fruit body.


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koopa_troopa said:
You have to admit though.. it is interesting non-the-less, yet suprising so many jumped to question my integrity


I am embarrassed by the display I've seen here.  Apologies to you koopa_troopa. 

Whether this is for real or not, we must investigate for truth.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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If you get enough pledges and buy the article, start a new thread for it. Over in Advanced. :thumbup:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Doc_T]
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The abstract says "100-fold" which could mean 100x or 100%.  It's likely to be the latter, which means a doubling of the amount.  So instead of the usual 1%, they saw 2%.  One would need to read the actual article to really know what they're saying.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: NGC6705]
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NGC6705 said:
One would need to read the actual article to really know what they're saying.



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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: NGC6705]
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Nah, "100 fold" means 100x.


Quote:
from the Abstract:
A simple one-step extraction method involving the homogenization of the dried fruit bodies of fungi in chloroform was used.


Interesting, it sounds like they put mushrooms in a blender with chloroform, although I believe chloroform is highly flammable?  Also this implies that psilocin is alcohol-soluble.  I wonder why they didn't use dichloromethane, which Wiki says is safer?

Edited by rooter (12/17/09 08:18 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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LeopardMan said:
NGC6705 said:
One would need to read the actual article to really know what they're saying.



That's what we are tryng to do. Join us.


There are other ways to get the article, which I'm pursuing.  Stay tuned.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin? Sorry guys, but that doesn't make one bit of sense. It's against all logic. First of all, they probably wouldn't even pin in the darkness, much less grow. Belive me, I really would like to belive that, but it doesn't make sense to me at all.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin?


Doesn't say anything like that. How could it be that there's a mushroom consisting only water and psilocin, wouldn't it be just liquid?


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: MissShroom]
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MissShroom said:
Tangich said:
So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin?


Doesn't say anything like that. How could it be that there's a mushroom consisting only water and psilocin, wouldn't it be just liquid?


No, probably dry "mushroom" would be a psilocin crystal or something. That would be indeed fun to see! :cool:
But if quantity of psilocin was increased 100x, then most of the mushroom tissue would be psilocin. And that is impossible.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
I really would like to belive that, but it doesn't make sense to me at all.


Which is why we all want to read the article and find out what they are talking about.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich, Im really starting to doubt your abilities of reason and logic.. maybe percentages just arent your thing.. I hope im not comming off as a jack ass or anything but just trust me in that your calculations need revisioning.. but im gonna try and help ya out bud..

"So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin"-- where on earth did you get these figures? The abstract states not even one of the three postulates you have made here. Please quote the parts of the abstract that you would like clarification on and I would be glad to help ya Tangich!


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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1 mush equals 100. hmm...you'd have some talkin' to do to get even ME to eat 100 mushrooms. what would be the fun in doing something like that? :wow:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin? Sorry guys, but that doesn't make one bit of sense. It's against all logic. First of all, they probably wouldn't even pin in the darkness, much less grow. Belive me, I really would like to belive that, but it doesn't make sense to me at all.


The mushrooms were NOT grown in the dark.  We've known for years that the psilocin degrades during drying, and we also know that our indoor mushrooms which are RARELY dried in sunlight are more potent.  This study is addressing natural SUNLIGHT, not our normal indoor lighting.  If you dry a mushroom in the sun and measure psilocin after drying and it weighs .0002 gram, then a 100X increase means there would have been .02 grams of psilocin in the fruit, had it been harvested and dried in the dark.

The abstract didn't say the fruits were 100X more potent, just that there was 100X the amount of psilocin when kept out of sunlight during harvest and drying.  We've known this for decades, just not by how much.  What they tried to do was quantify what people around here have reported since day one.  Apparently the study didn't measure any effect on psilocybin.
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