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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Cloneufc]
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people have, i dont remembre seeing any reports of 100x potency


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Montock]
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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: SillyBilly]
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I dunno, the publisher (Begell House) looks legit.  Whether or not the study was legit is still up for debate.  Could be an interesting read at the least, unfortunately the article costs $35...

I really want to see the materials and methods section of this paper.  That would answer so many questions.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: eTarded]
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just because psilocin was increased, doesn't mean that psilocybin also increased. it could have even decreased as psilocin increased. we need mo info baby.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: 13shrooms]
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13shrooms said:
Quote:
49.5% chance the op was a victim of a troll or bad info
49.5% chance the op is trolling
1.0% chance this is correct



49.99% chance the op was a victim of a troll or bad info
49.99% chance the op is trolling
0.02% chance this is correct:super:

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:ilold: at the first post, then :ilold: at the next one.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: dancefloordale]
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99% chance montoch and 13 shroom were 69ing each other and didnt bother checking the reference link

1% chance they both suffer from assburgers disease, making it 200% more likely that they will troll threads calling others trolls while watching theyre favorite movie Trolls 2


I didnt get this info from a message carved into the bathroom stalls of a waffle house, the website Begell house is a legit science and engineering journal.. the study in question has already been peer reviewed. Take those trolling shinanigans elsewhere lol

in regards to optx comment.. the article does reference "total actives" but psilocin is THE major activ which is then converted to psilocybin in the body after ingestion. I have an exam today so I will hit up the universitys library and get the rest of this study off of science-direct or pubhort...


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Edited by koopa_troopa (12/17/09 04:32 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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also optx-- technically, neither psilocibe or any other actives "increased" by being grown in darkness, more like there is a decrease in the those exposed to light.. if that makes anymore sense


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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I just hit up my universities search engine and couldn't find that article, not to mention the journal.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: dancefloordale]
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Ill be at class n an hour to check it out.. you sure you checked the "internets" lol?? bc not being able to find the journal makes me seriously doubt your googling prowess.. Stamets is a contributor to editorials in the journal


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: dancefloordale]
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100x is huge! even 50x or 20x is huge imo. I am going to put on my skeptical cap :rasta: stand back and glare :stoned:

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. No way a shroomery member wouldn't have noticed such a huge difference in potency, even if it's like 15 times more potent with less darkness someone would notice. .... I think.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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I say bollocks.

Potency varies from grow to grow, even flush to flush. There's no way to reach a conclusion like that.

100 x more potency?? Pfffff

It sounds like FAIL

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: beto]
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100X??? You know what would that mean? You would need just like 3 milligrams to be really trippin! So one average-sized mushroom would be enough for 30 people to trip like crazy! Not possible, IMO. Even if it was only 100% (or 2x) increase in potency, it would still be huge, but that is somewhat more likely...

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: beto]
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fail is that u see no way a study could determine such results using gass spectrome analysis lol..  u have to keep in mind it is referring to psilocin not psilosybin.. turns out stamets is on the board of directors for the journal as well..


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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We cant discuss an abstract guys. We have to read carefully the article before saying its bullshit or its a revolution in mushrooms cultivation. We should collect some money and buy it.


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Edited by LeopardMan (12/17/09 05:48 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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I agree with ya leopard Im not saying for sure its be all end all truth.. who knows.. but given the abstract it does seem they followed proper scientific protocol, but alas.. were in the dark until we can get a peak at the materials and methods

It is however, well known that psilocin degrades very easily from exposure to light, oxygen and heat when in liquid solution form, which is probably much more unstable than contained within the fruit body.

What primarily interests me is if the deficiency from light exposure refers to the ascocarps being exposed periodically throughout maturation or singular instances before or during harvesting :/ You have to admit though.. it is interesting non-the-less, yet suprising so many jumped to question my integrity


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
Hmm, 100 times 1% by weight would be...


1% active components is for dry weight, and erowid says the range is closer to 0.5-0.9% of dry weight.

Even so, this article is appears to be saying that harvesting without light makes anywhere from half to 90% of the entire dry weight become active which sounds pretty impossible.

Either that or I'm misinterpreting what it's saying.

Edited by sansa (12/17/09 06:37 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
100X??? You know what would that mean? You would need just like 3 milligrams to be really trippin! So one average-sized mushroom would be enough for 30 people to trip like crazy! Not possible, IMO. Even if it was only 100% (or 2x) increase in potency, it would still be huge, but that is somewhat more likely...


I agree. Because some people have said that penis envy is about 2x or 3x more powelful than the average cube, and from the experiences I've read that's was huge.
If one grew a mushroom in the dark not knowing of its 100x super powers and accidently made the huge mistake of eating they're normal 2 or 3 grams, we would all know about it.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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Sure it is interesting. But like I said we need to know methods and conditions before saying anything. Anyway 5 shrooms for you :mushroom2:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: jim617]
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lol some of you are having a very hard time grasping this concept.. it does NOT increase anything.. light DECREASES the potency.. You would start with the maximum POTENTIAL value of actives a cube could possibly possess and for all factors not ideal it would decrease from that.. silly goose haha

And the 100 fold difference stated in the study is most certainly the maximum possible difference, putting it naturally at the tail of a normally distributed bell curve.. the most common difference in the study would most likely  be somewhere between 10 and 30 fold.. use some common sense here people, you think doctorate mycologists are going to be that dumb to believe the in dark mushrooms are magically 90% actives??!? hahaha

Im not saying this is gospel or anything.. there very well could be errors in methodology and it does sound too good to be true.. just trying to help everyone understand the basic idea behind what they are claiming


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Edited by koopa_troopa (12/17/09 07:17 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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I get your point and understand completely. And believe me I would love to find out that its true, I'm all for this if it is true. That's what this site is all about taking the research into your own hands and challenging mycology. You know that. Because you posted this at least 30 of us are going to try this out lol. That's what its all about. Its what keeps this all interesting, progress. 

In my newbie opinion.


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