Home | Community | Message Board


Mycohaus
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
InvisibleChronic7
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 13,677
Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood)
    #11329870 - 10/27/09 08:16 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The philosophy of Reincarnation/Rebirth can seem to be all about hiding from death anxiety
Clinging to another incarnation to perpetuate your idea of self...
People who casually beleive in reincarnation are most likely full of death anxiety, they want to come back for another life, then another, then another...
They don't want to accept the final end of 'me'

The true Buddhists aim is no more incarnation, the end, Nirvana
The philosophy of rebirth/reincarnation is not to hide from death anxiety & perpetuate more birth, but rather to fully face death & end the cycle

What Buddha taught is negatory for a very good reason, death anxiety

Dukkha (all things are unsatisfactory)
Anicca (all things are impermanent)
Anatta (no thing is the ultimate definition of Self)
Vairagya (non-attachment to things) (Viveka - discriminating the above to arrive at Vairagya)
Nirvana (extinction of all attachment)

These things can sound horrible, but they are all about overcoming death anxiety


I made this post as i saw somones comment about the philosophy of reincarnation being all about death anxiety, wanting to continue life...
When really the philosophy of reincarnation is about the END of any continuance!


:peace:


--------------------
________________________________


Edited by Chronic7 (10/27/09 08:31 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleMelusina
Male
Registered: 03/19/09
Posts: 426
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11329910 - 10/27/09 08:38 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

This makes me take a harder look at some of my own motivations/fears (basically the same thing-fear is a great motivator). This came at a great time. Thanks.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineNoteworthy
Sophyphile
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 5,599
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Melusina]
    #11330008 - 10/27/09 09:33 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

There is something I don't understand about the re-incarnation cycle -

Who decided to give people a concept of self, and then make it really hard for them to rid themselves of it, but also expect them to do so? Is life a competition? Why should people not just do whatever the fuck they want, considering that they will always forget about it afterwards? Is this all about coming back as a grand eagle as opposed to a worm, or something like that?


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleChronic7
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 13,677
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11330044 - 10/27/09 09:50 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Melusina said:
This came at a great time. Thanks.





Cool  :super:


Quote:

Noteworthy said:
Why should people not just do whatever the fuck they want, considering that they will always forget about it afterwards?




Im not saying they shouldn't do what they want :shrug: Off topic?
But anyway i would say take a closer look at who 'does things' in the first place...

'Doing things' is not forgotten about afterwards, as a sutble subconscious seed is planted saying 'happiness is at the end of doing something'
Then the chase for happiness at the end of doing something continues

The truth of reincarnation is about the end of the chase...the end of birth

Quote:

Noteworthy said:
Is this all about coming back as a grand eagle as opposed to a worm, or something like that?




Its about not coming back at all... did you even read my post? :shrug:

:peace:


--------------------
________________________________


Edited by Chronic7 (10/27/09 09:59 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineNoteworthy
Sophyphile
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/05/08
Posts: 5,599
Last seen: 4 years, 10 months
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11330704 - 10/27/09 12:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, ive sort of treated you as a spokesperson for other beliefs


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 93,974
Loc: underbelly
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11330911 - 10/27/09 01:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The true Buddhists aim is no more incarnation, the end, Nirvana


Peek a boo! Nirvana implies something that experiences it. :monkeydance: Not to mention identifying a state that exists beyond death. :nono:

The Buddha's gift was a psychological technique to relieve suffering while living.



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleChronic7
 User Gallery
Registered: 05/08/04
Posts: 13,677
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Icelander]
    #11336587 - 10/28/09 07:44 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Nirvana is the experience of death (total non-attachment) while still living
Eventually at dis-emobodiment the experience & experiencer become one, 'Parinirvana'
Its not a state, rather the cessation of all possible states

The only way to understand it is to stare directly into the void & see your own end
You experience the void
Then you experience that the experience must end & 'you' must eventually totally dissolve into it

Buddha means 'Awakened Being'
Psychologists are still interpreting the dream
Awakening is not a psychological process
Its the end of psychological process

:peace:


--------------------
________________________________


Edited by Chronic7 (10/28/09 08:07 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGrapefruit
Still Busy Going Mad
 User Gallery


Registered: 05/09/08
Posts: 5,260
Last seen: 5 months, 16 days
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11336858 - 10/28/09 10:13 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Nirvana is the experience of death (total non-attachment) while still living




While I understand what you're getting at this isn't really death is it? As long as there is a point of awareness, you're not dead.


--------------------
"Some are born to sweet delight, others to the endless night."


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 93,974
Loc: underbelly
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11337659 - 10/28/09 01:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Buddha means 'Awakened Being'
Psychologists are still interpreting the dream
Awakening is not a psychological process
Its the end of psychological process



:rofl2: Who cares what the word Buddha means. Did he give himself that title? The buddha taught how to avoid suffering and gave specific techniques for avoiding neurotic behavior. Death and only death is the end of the psychological process for humans. :tongue:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineAhimsa
Male

Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 1,790
Last seen: 6 years, 10 days
Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
    #11339304 - 10/28/09 05:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If we are thought by the Buddha, then who was the Buddha thought by?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* My death anxiety
( 1 2 3 4 ... 23 24 all )
Icelander 20,724 474 09/06/12 09:47 PM
by Cactilove
* Reducing death anxiety
( 1 2 3 all )
Neon 4,671 53 07/26/08 10:26 AM
by Icelander
* Becker on death anxiety.
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Icelander 5,191 72 11/30/08 02:23 PM
by Icelander
* Death Anxiety
( 1 2 3 4 all )
deCypher 4,288 62 11/23/08 03:54 AM
by fazdazzle
* Death Anxiety - Get Over It
( 1 2 3 all )
Chronic7 3,321 47 04/30/09 06:24 AM
by Swyfty Swyf
* If there was no death or death anxiety
( 1 2 3 all )
Icelander 2,762 44 10/20/08 07:51 PM
by ExplosiveMango
* Death Anxiety = Religion?
( 1 2 3 all )
myriadeyes 3,128 46 12/06/08 07:49 PM
by Atheist
* Igloos and Egos: Security, its Implications in Regards to Death Anxiety, and a Human Dilemma Poid 543 16 09/01/09 03:52 PM
by Poid

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, CosmicJoke, Jokeshopbeard, DividedQuantum
760 topic views. 3 members, 3 guests and 14 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Original Seeds Store - Cannabis Seeds
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.031 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 19 queries.