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Chronic7
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Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood)
#11329870 - 10/27/09 06:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The philosophy of Reincarnation/Rebirth can seem to be all about hiding from death anxiety Clinging to another incarnation to perpetuate your idea of self... People who casually beleive in reincarnation are most likely full of death anxiety, they want to come back for another life, then another, then another... They don't want to accept the final end of 'me'
The true Buddhists aim is no more incarnation, the end, Nirvana The philosophy of rebirth/reincarnation is not to hide from death anxiety & perpetuate more birth, but rather to fully face death & end the cycle
What Buddha taught is negatory for a very good reason, death anxiety
Dukkha (all things are unsatisfactory) Anicca (all things are impermanent) Anatta (no thing is the ultimate definition of Self) Vairagya (non-attachment to things) (Viveka - discriminating the above to arrive at Vairagya) Nirvana (extinction of all attachment)
These things can sound horrible, but they are all about overcoming death anxiety
I made this post as i saw somones comment about the philosophy of reincarnation being all about death anxiety, wanting to continue life... When really the philosophy of reincarnation is about the END of any continuance!
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Edited by Chronic7 (10/27/09 06:31 AM)
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Melusina
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11329910 - 10/27/09 06:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This makes me take a harder look at some of my own motivations/fears (basically the same thing-fear is a great motivator). This came at a great time. Thanks.
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Melusina]
#11330008 - 10/27/09 07:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is something I don't understand about the re-incarnation cycle -
Who decided to give people a concept of self, and then make it really hard for them to rid themselves of it, but also expect them to do so? Is life a competition? Why should people not just do whatever the fuck they want, considering that they will always forget about it afterwards? Is this all about coming back as a grand eagle as opposed to a worm, or something like that?
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Noteworthy]
#11330044 - 10/27/09 07:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Melusina said: This came at a great time. Thanks.
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Noteworthy said: Why should people not just do whatever the fuck they want, considering that they will always forget about it afterwards?
Im not saying they shouldn't do what they want Off topic? But anyway i would say take a closer look at who 'does things' in the first place...
'Doing things' is not forgotten about afterwards, as a sutble subconscious seed is planted saying 'happiness is at the end of doing something' Then the chase for happiness at the end of doing something continues
The truth of reincarnation is about the end of the chase...the end of birth
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Noteworthy said: Is this all about coming back as a grand eagle as opposed to a worm, or something like that?
Its about not coming back at all... did you even read my post?
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Edited by Chronic7 (10/27/09 07:59 AM)
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11330704 - 10/27/09 10:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry, ive sort of treated you as a spokesperson for other beliefs
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11330911 - 10/27/09 11:10 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The true Buddhists aim is no more incarnation, the end, Nirvana
Peek a boo! Nirvana implies something that experiences it. Not to mention identifying a state that exists beyond death.
The Buddha's gift was a psychological technique to relieve suffering while living.
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Chronic7
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Icelander]
#11336587 - 10/28/09 05:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nirvana is the experience of death (total non-attachment) while still living Eventually at dis-emobodiment the experience & experiencer become one, 'Parinirvana' Its not a state, rather the cessation of all possible states
The only way to understand it is to stare directly into the void & see your own end You experience the void Then you experience that the experience must end & 'you' must eventually totally dissolve into it
Buddha means 'Awakened Being' Psychologists are still interpreting the dream Awakening is not a psychological process Its the end of psychological process
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Edited by Chronic7 (10/28/09 06:07 AM)
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11336858 - 10/28/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nirvana is the experience of death (total non-attachment) while still living
While I understand what you're getting at this isn't really death is it? As long as there is a point of awareness, you're not dead.
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11337659 - 10/28/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buddha means 'Awakened Being' Psychologists are still interpreting the dream Awakening is not a psychological process Its the end of psychological process
Who cares what the word Buddha means. Did he give himself that title? The buddha taught how to avoid suffering and gave specific techniques for avoiding neurotic behavior. Death and only death is the end of the psychological process for humans.
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Re: Rebirth & Death Anxiety (Buddhahood) [Re: Chronic7]
#11339304 - 10/28/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we are thought by the Buddha, then who was the Buddha thought by?
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