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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
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no, I (or IMO any human) could not know what that was.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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ok well.. that would be ego loss.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
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What would be ego loss?:confused: And wtf does that have to do with loss of physicality?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (10/06/09 10:55 AM)

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Noteworthy]
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If people say they experience ego death when they take pyschedelic drugs does this mean a part of them is dying/ a process is ceasing? or does it simply mean that the self has changed, and becomes unrecognisable, foreign?

The ego is the sense of being a metaphysically free, sovereign agent that originates and controls its own thoughts, actions, and movements of the will while moving through time and space.

Ego death is the cessation, in the intense mystic altered state, of the sense and feeling of being a control-wielding agent moving through time and space. The sensation of wielding control is replaced by the experience of being helplessly, powerlessly embedded in spacetime as purely a product of spacetime, with control-thoughts being perceptibly inserted or set into the stream of thought by a hidden, uncontrollable source.

The Goal of Understanding Ego Death

Ego death leaves one’s initial, youthful “lie” behind. The “lie” is the confused mental worldmodel which assumes that oneself is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts, actions, future, and movements of the will. The goal of testing control in the altered state is not to act out the loss of control in any way, but rather, to gain fundamental self-knowledge and correction of self-frustrating error and confusion. The goal of putting control to the test is to understand the nature and limits of control across time by exploring ideas of loss of control and transcendent restabilization of control.

The promise of increased power over oneself leads to realizing the logical impossibility of that mode of power, but produces instead a viable alternate conception, of secondary-level, reflected power. The vexing attempt to gain properly functioning self-control while holding a confused model of self-control ceases. The misleading sensation that the time-voyaging continuant agent is the originator of its power of will is recognized as a conventional misperception and mental oversimplification.

The image of the Lone Soul in Purgatory shows the soul as imprisoned in chains, purified in flames, and lifted up in redemptive release by transcendent power.

In Gnosticism, the completed initiate belongs to the Immovable Race and is able to stand stably in the face of overwhelming, autonomy-undermining controllership that emanates from the hidden, primary control-level. Insights about the limitations of personal control-power result in a wounding of pride, but the mind is otherwise unharmed, and made more durable (or “imperishable”). A personal control system becomes compatible with transcendence, or becomes “divinely approved”, when it repudiates the assumption that it can depend on its own internal power to save itself during a control-limit violation.
-www.egodeath.com

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
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I think DJ would agree.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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DJ...?

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
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cyb3rtr0n said:
can you define universal truth?


Schrödinger's cat is not dead or alive, nor a mixture of either.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
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TheBalance said:
DJ...?


Don Juan


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
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I'm sorry for bringing this back to the front page, but I didn't want to start a new thread. I have a bit of a conundrum.

To start off: I know what ego loss is, and I know what ego is.

Last weekend I took 8 grams dry. I haven't done shrooms in about 6 months, so I had zero tolerance to it. This is the highest dose I've ever done. I know I was in for what I was seeking: ego loss. I wanted to experience it, I wanted to understand it (or try to), and I wanted to learn. I've always been one for trying everything I can before my body dies. I've been bungee jumping, skydiving, diving, snowboarding, and hope to try ayahausca some time soon. It isn't the thrill that gets me - it's the experience. I guess it's the only thing going for me in my life. I don't really have anything else to say I've done. I dropped out of school and got a GED, I went for two semesters of community college, and I currently work for an outsourcing company as a records clerk. But enough about the small talk.

I am very confused about ego loss. I've seen so many people say it crushes your ego (or, conciousness). Let me explain how I felt during my, assumingly, peak. I live alone in my apartment. My girlfriend was sleeping at her house this night because her parents don't want her completely moving in yet. So as soon as I noticed my trip start to get very intense, I wobble over to my bed and lay down. My bed is a queen sized blow up mattress with sheets, a comforter, and pillows. I lay in the middle and attempt to stretch my arms out. At this point in time, everything in my house is different. My floor is connected to the middle of the wall, I feel like I'm walking on the ceiling, my dresser is beyond having a face and has turned into its own Beauty & The Beast-type being. It was crazy.

So I'm laying there, my noodly arms stretched out, and I'm on my back looking at the patterns of colored fractals on the ceiling. I feel as if my ceiling is caving in, more of a really BIG morph, and it droops down to my face, and I lose visual connection with reality.

"I" am now in limbo.

This is the part that confuses me. The entity that is the existence of myself, is no longer in the real world (in my mind). I understand this. I forget about everything. I don't know who I am, what my name is, where I was, or anything about my life. I don't even remember the concept of language. I just know.

But that's the catcher. Ego death is supposed to be complete elimination of one's self. In retrospect, "I" should not exist. However, to me, there is still awareness. At that moment in time I wouldn't be able to comprehend the fact that I was even alive. But obviously there is some type of sentience. And that is my mind.

As I remember the sights I was seeing that night, after I was blasted into "limbo" the first visuals that I could recall, and when I say visuals, it's more of "thought" but represented as colors, because I obviously wasn't seeing a bunch of colors. So think of this "limbo" state as dreaming. Except there is no objects, no matter, no air. Just color. Red, blue, green, and yellow. No black, No white. As I started to come down, "I" was becoming more aware of the situation. I started to "THINK". The first thought that I started to think about was my girlfriend. We been together for a few years now, and she means the world to me. Always has. It took a couple of hours to completely come back, but I did and it was very peaceful. After I had came back, I realized I was on my bed. That's when material started to come in. I remembered. I'm in the real world now. I threw up over the side of my bed. After that, I was a little shaky, weak, when I talked it sounded like I had rocks in my mouth because it was hard for me to move my lips and tongue to form words correctly. (I was talking to myself a bit)

So the question is, is this REALLY ego loss? I feel the same, just a bit happier, and my ego wasn't really "re-built," it's the same as before.


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We are all one but not really :laugh:

Edited by Xog (10/07/09 11:57 AM)

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Please explain in detail how one lives like they are dead?


no more mental projection/imagination
just an empty shell of being
no attachment to anything

its sounds horrible!

:peace:


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Xog]
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The entity that is the existence of myself, is no longer in the real world (in my mind). I understand this. I forget about everything. I don't know who I am, what my name is, where I was, or anything about my life. I don't even remember the concept of language. I just know.



Everyones got an opinion about what ego death is and everyone is the expert.

So here's my guess. The high dose of shroomes overwhelmed your personality structure to the extent that you don't operate normally. This is very useful IMO if you don't mystify it or make wild guesses and just believe they are true.

I would look at yourself after the experience, any real change on a day to day level after six months or so? Then that may be what happened and it's based IMO in your psychological growth.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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So here's my guess. The high dose of shroomes overwhelmed your personality structure to the extent that you don't operate normally. This is very useful IMO if you don't mystify it or make wild guesses and just believe they are true.

I would look at yourself after the experience, any real change on a day to day level after six months or so? Then that may be what happened and it's based IMO in your psychological growth.

I was expecting and hoping it would overwhelm my personality structure - I was also hoping out of this experience to become a better person, to better understand my lazy habits, and be able to understand what type of change in my life I would need to put a change in the way I do things to become more successfull. You say six months, so right now is obviously very early. I wasn't able to figure out anything that would help. All I can really say was that it was a very relaxing, enjoyable and interesting experience. It was quite different than my previous 4 gram dose in the fact that I was sitting comfortably on level 5 at 8 grams. I had thought I reached level 5 on 4 grams, as to the extent of losing visual connectivity with the real world, but the experience was not even close to this one. I guess I can say it was more liberating, but not encouraging for anything. As of this moment, just 4 days after, all I can say about it so far, is that it was enjoyable and worth it. I hope I can say more about this experience in the future. I don't know what to make of it.

I don't like sugar coating anything, and I won't mistify it. There would be no point to. My girlfriend saw me on Monday, a full 35 hours after I had come down from the trip and didn't even notice anything different about me. On Tuesday I had told her about the trip, and she hadn't noticed any changes in me. Not even a hang over. I don't notice anything different about me either. I'm completely the same. I haven't learned anything from it, maybe I will learn over the next 6 months like you mentioned, but right now I don't really understand what that meant. I hope to find out. Thanks


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Xog]
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I can't tell you how refreshing this post is for me. I love your honesty is that it was enjoyable and worth it.

This maybe the best thing of all, life is for living and the psychedelic experience is one of the best events in life IMO. We can speculate to our hearts content on what it all means past the actual event but in reality that event was it.

And you get to decide what it all means and you will be right (but only for you)

Great post and great trip. You're the kind of guy I like to trip balls with.:heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
TheBalance said:
DJ...?


Don Juan



Of course...

'Any movement of the assemblage point means a movement away
from an excessive concern with the individual self. Shamans believe
it is the position of the assemblage point which makes modern man a
homicidal egoist, a being totally involved with his self-image.
Having lost hope of ever returning to the source of everything, the
average man seeks solace in his selfishness.'
-Don Juan

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
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Very good:thumbup:

Everything I know I learned from him.:lol: And he most likely never existed.:rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Very good:thumbup:

Everything I know I learned from him.:lol: And he most likely never existed.:rofl2:


Exactly.
Useful device, imo.

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
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Sure caught my attention. I read the first four books 21 times. Each reading made more sense and it took me time to realize it was set in a fantasy to capture my attention. Which it did. It really took about thirty years for me to really be able to apply some of the important stuff in my life.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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