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Ego loss
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I feel like im so close to ego-loss, im on 2c-i and pot right now, but i just cant get there.

Right now i feel like im so close to what i think it is

but im not sure

so im making this post to ask :









Can you explain ego-loss? so i know if im thinking the right thing


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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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oh you'll know...


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Re: Ego loss [Re: NariusFractal]
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Or rather you wont know! lol...ego loss, hmm. Dont look for labels just go with the flow.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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You'll be able to tell when you have ego-loss.

Last night I had it for the first time on 4 grams of potent mushrooms locked in a dark room with Darkside of the Moon playing, and I had numerous out of body experiences, and the boundaries between me and the physical world had completely dissolved which made me my chair more than I was myself. It was such an amazing experience, and it happened on my first mushroom trip (I've done LSD before however). I also felt like I had such control over all of my visions..like I've never had before.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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Ego loss is the absence of the part of you that criticizes things and scrutinizes over details.

It's really terribly hard to explain.. you WILL know when it happens.

Also, if you feel that you get very close, you probably just need to let go of your ego. The best way (for me) to do this, is to go full on introspective, do an internal analyzation of your life.. realize all the good points and the bad ones will fade away.. all that you are left with is a deep appreciation and gratitude for all forms of love.

The part that would say (in your head) "but what about all the bad?" is no longer present.

This is ego loss, as best I can explain it..

Lemme find a link real quick, should help you out a little more...

Link

Read through the first post by trendal and the third post, by Kaiowas.. the third post is the one that should help you.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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You arent aware you exist, no senses you are just witnessing
existence oppionless, no such thing as 'time' kinda like when
you're asleep. but really words are just 'titles' and they cannot
define the experience.

you wont be thinking you will just melt away ...

nothing is the cause of everything...


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Im not loved because im worthy, Im loved because youre good - Matthew West (Good)

You never know, when and where the shrooms will grow.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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solidshroom said:
I feel like im so close to ego-loss, im on 2c-i and pot right now, but i just cant get there.

Right now i feel like im so close to what i think it is

but im not sure

so im making this post to ask :









Can you explain ego-loss? so i know if im thinking the right thing


You can not have simulated egoloss on chemicals... Only nature can give you that.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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> oh you'll know...

You'll know that you know something, but you just aren't sure what it is or isn't that you know, you know?

Don't try... instead, surrender.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
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> You can not have simulated egoloss on chemicals...

So you can have a real egoloss on chemicals, just not a simulated one? Or are you saying that egoloss from chemicals alone is impossible with the only 'real' egoloss coming from nature? You see blue, I see 420 nm... nature is simply a point of reference.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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the most amazing feelin in the world is to break trough to the other side like jim said. a greatful dead indeed, you will know when you are there, there is no question about it (at least it wasnt for me, i yelled THIS IS IT THANK YOU first time) but dont try to hurry your way there. take your time, the best way to get there is not to have any luggage with you. the first thing a tripper should do imo is to do what i call "clean the house" before egodeath. cleaining the house means simply gettin to knows new sides of you. facing fears and other emotions. dont worry you get there in time :smile:

ego death is the most sacred state of mind for me

i had a egodeath trip earlier today and solved alot of things today. i wrote a small post about it in the pub and are now writing a trip report :smile:

:heart: :mushroom2: :sun:

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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the first step in ego loss is not wanting it to happen. If your sitting around on drugs wanting to have ego loss 100% of the time it won't happen. You can sort of sneak around this by going into a drug trip with this in mind but for it to happen the first barrier will be to not be caught up in wanting it to happen. And thats another problem with drugs... once such a spiritual experience happens on drugs, alot of people will try and "re-create" that experience even if their not ocnsiously doing it. If you experience ego-loss through meditation or yoga or whatever means, i suggest after that experience you should swear to yourself you won't do drugs again untill you have acheived the same state while sober, unless you can take drugs with out wanting to have the same experience. If not and you try and recreate that experience you'll just become frustrated.

Ok im jsut running circles and probably repeating things over now so i'll just post this...


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Re: Ego loss [Re: NewMoon]
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ehhhhh, i see what your saying, but i think if you take them to experience ego-death you can do it, but like you said dont dwell on it. i think the idea is to feel the love that you are.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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wouldnt ego loss turn u into a very good person? not experiencing a want for big stupid shit like a hummer or somthing egotistical ?

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Re: Ego loss [Re: planit]
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I consider myself close to ego-less, and yes I don't long for many material things, but I would not consider myself a good person.

Ego loss, for me, has been the realization of my insignificance- the enlightenment that I'm a uniform animal/cog that will soon cease to exist. It has lead to me wanting very little, even the preservation of my own pointless survival. I can barely watch/take part/involve myself/play in anything involving competition, I just don't get it. I feel a disgust for the rest of society, and hate society more than anything else. So in all, I don't believe ego loss translates to being "loving" or a "good person," rather a detachment from all the mind craves to establish the differentiated self.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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I don't know if you can really achieve ego loss on 2C-I, but I've achieved it on mushrooms once and salvia three times. If you were there right now, you wouldn't be able to type. You wouldn't even know who "you" were.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

Best description I've read.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> oh you'll know...

You'll know that you know something, but you just aren't sure what it is or isn't that you know, you know?

Don't try... instead, surrender.


I agree with "surrender". But I am not sure if it's a long, slow process, or if it's something that goes BLAMM!!! I remember going through the significant event in my life (SE??) that caused me to see things differently.

What are we talking about when we talk about ego loss? The ability to be wrong? The humility to ask for help, when needed? See, the way I see it, ego is about pride, and stubborn-ness, and standing one's ground, even if wrong. Those things.

Ego loss would be admitting when wrong, asking for help, acknowledging not knowing everything, listening instead of talking, etc. It is llike surrendering pride, I think.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Ego loss [Re: Frog]
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Ego loss is the loss of 'you'. Hard to explain, Frog, but it's like 'you' cease to exist, and all there's left is an empty recepticle to absorb the input, without the ability to judge. In the state of ego loss there are no desires, no sense of self, no identification with the host body, no memories, etc. All but the skill to walk (at least in my case) was lost, but regained afterwards with no ill effects.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: Revelation]
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Revelation said:
http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

Best description I've read.


That was an AWESOME read man, thanks alot for that...

I'm gonna have to get my hands on that book it's from.


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Re: Ego loss [Re: solidshroom]
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great conversation guys!! some really deep thoughts here!

ego loss is very difficult to explain, and the main reason for this is because you really don't know it's happening until your ego jsut starts to take back the throne. it's like you don't really know it's gone till it "re-appears"

now regarding your input, sight, smell and sound, any of these can "shut off" or become dorment. but that's not really what ego loss is about.

your sence of you is gone. this is why it's hard to judge what's going on because YOU aren't judging. all you are left with is your essential nature, that is, awareness. you are just aware enough to know something is going on, but you don't know what. you cease to have opinions of the world on even the smallest scales because your ego is the main source of these opinions. believe me, you will KNOW when you have experienced ego loss.

another thing you may notice is your head can very well be completely silent. it's because you aren't judging things so quickly and so often. You can lay down on the grass and look at the stars with no thinking that "you are watching the stars" get it? your head will be damn near completely silent, this is the essence of complete awareness. it's like this this and that is happening, but you don't assign a good or bad value to it. it just IS.

I'm going to compy something that I posted on another thread because I think it describes the process well and what ego loss showed me

For me, the most important aspect of ego-loss is it showed me that our ego is not out essential nature. We have something deeper within each of us. The reason I said this because it didn't matter whether it was shrooms or salvia, I still had one thing, my awareness. I was aware of htings happening and I knew "things" were "happening" just didn't know what at the time

Essence is that which is unchangeable. our true nature. Everything else that was "me" was gone. I noticed before I experienced ego-loss, I thought my personality was me. now that may sound strange, but what I really mean is that I identified with my image and the things around me.

with ego loss I realized that my personality wasn't me at all, it what I thought I was. What I am getting at is that when you know that your essential nature is awareness, not personality, your ego can relax more and more because it won't be defending the personality. I used to say things like "you can't say that to me.." and now I see how wasteful of my energy that was.

When you identify with the personality as your actual essential nature, your ego will constantly be guarding and manipulating. Guarding the things that you do or have done that might be threatened, and manipulating the world around you so that it fits what you think is the "way it should be." When in life, we all know, you will win some, and you will lose some. and therefore it is ridiculous to rely on the exterior world to providey ou with happiness.

when you feel that your essence is awareness, you can sit back in a deep place within yourself and just observe what is going on. the more your ego relaxes, the more your awareness increases, because you are using more thoughts to see what's going on in the present.

what I mean by awareness is this...

close your eyes for a minute.......notice what you "pick up"


do it......



















what I normally notice is that I pick up sounds more.

now think of what would happen if you were in a place devoid of sound and sight. you would pick up on sensations on your body. the mind to me is comparable to an antennae.

now this is not to say that the ego is bad, no no! We need it to function properly. but when you lose it, you gain a new perspective that you might not have had before. soon it won't be your ego using you to try to change your surroundings to fit your desires, but rather you using your ego to understand what makes you mad, and therefore showing you what you need to work on so that if the same thing happens again, you won't be as angry or upset.

this builds acceptence, and more awareness. if you can see your personality for what it is, jsut a tool then you can use it. when in ego loss you realize a new perspetice which means, if I feel this one minute, and then another the next, which one is "correct" maybe this "space" can be experienced any way you want to experience it.

if our essential nature is awareness, then we are all essentially the same. In this way, acceptence of each other is easier, and therefore communication will also be upped a notch.

Suffering can be used to provide you with "clues" as to what you need to do in order to be relaxed in 90% of the situations life brings to you. We as a society get angry too much

say your tire blows out...you can get mad and curse the poeple who sold you the tires, and the weather, and the guy who threw the nail, but after al is said and done...you still have a flat tire.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: TrueBrode]
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Ego loss, for me, has been the realization of my insignificance



If you see yourself as insignificant have you really lost your ego? or have you just started to view your ego in a different way?
Of course we are insignificant, but why feel negative about that?

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I can barely watch/take part/involve myself/play in anything involving competition, I just don't get it.



that maybe a bit like a snowflake that tries to avoid the ground! We all play together, some play different parts. Perhaps those around you just arent playing the same tune as you!

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I feel a disgust for the rest of society, and hate society more than anything else.



I hate to get all Freudian and stuff but do you think this feeling could point to something about yourself that you dont like? If not, what exactly is it you hate about society?


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rather a detachment from all the mind craves to establish the differentiated self.



If one hates society, does that person show detachment from the mind?


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Re: Ego loss [Re: Alan Stone]
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Alan Stone said:
Ego loss is the loss of 'you'. Hard to explain, Frog, but it's like 'you' cease to exist, and all there's left is an empty recepticle to absorb the input, without the ability to judge. In the state of ego loss there are no desires, no sense of self, no identification with the host body, no memories, etc. All but the skill to walk (at least in my case) was lost, but regained afterwards with no ill effects.


Um, is this one of those things where you have to do shrooms to get this experience? hehe.

Wouldn't this be a difficult state to achieve?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Ego loss [Re: Frog]
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"Um, is this one of those things where you have to do shrooms to get this experience? hehe."


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

since when is there only ONE way of doing things?  how about this point of view, shrooms give you a different perspective that you can't get with anything else.  now that doesn't mean you can't experience ego-loss, but the EXPERIENCE with shrooms is unique to itself. the whole experince is.  lets say there's a bunch of different ways to get to the same place.  why limit yourself to just one path?

Wouldn't this be a difficult state to achieve?
it all depends on the person, doesn't it? 

speak for and only for yourself :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: kaiowas]
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Hola, kaiowas.

That's why I'm asking. I'm not trying to define ego loss as just one person's experience. I'm just trying to figure out if the kind of ego loss you guys are talking about is the kind you would experience only after shrooms. Has anyone achieved the state of ego loss as defined by Alan Stone?

And anyways, who wants to feel like a shell? What is the point of that? That's not just merely ego loss, imo.

Just curious, here.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: Ego loss [Re: Frog]
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hiya frog!!!!! glad to see you asking kick ass questions!! :wink:

i tried the best I could to describe it in this post, on the previous page I think.


you arne't a shell either!!!! your ego ISN'T you, hence  your ego  all that you are left with is awareness.

have you ever experienced what I like to call "the silence"  the chattering of the mind totally slowed down to a halt on even the smallest of scales.  it's a wonderful thing, and again it's experience.  the difference to me in the "different types" of ego loss is its intensity.  how fast your ego goes away.  to do it without drugs will take a long time, only some masters at it can achieve it.  firthermore, achieving it is hard now and days becausey ou need some sort of seclusion, and this society doesn't really provide us with much "time" for this.  actually, our society doesn't even work twards it, in goes in the opposite direction.

using shrooms for instance can allow to see VERY clearly a hint of what th EGO is!! it's hard to see what the ego does until you really lose it.  its an arrow pointing in a certain direction. 

as i sstated in the previous post on this thread, the ego isn't bad!!  it's jsut that most of the time we let our ego overrun us with emotions.  when you fully take it away for a little bit, it provides us with a perspective shift.  it's like "wow this earth can be experienced in a totally different way."  I don't have to assign a good or a bad to EVERYTHING because my ego tries to dominate myself that way. instead, I can limit it, and soon be in CONTROL of it, so then I can really react in a way my awareness sees fit.

the ego is like a 5th grader constantly heckling you and feeding your emotions. it keeps the mind chattering and chattering and thus we lose clarity.  clarity is the result of increased awarenss IMHO.  clarity is great because it allows us not to be subject to emotions so quickly.  I gave an example of a car tire blowing out in my post before this one.

the tire blows out, and your ego will immdiately get upset.  upset that it had to happen now, upset that you might have gotten bad tires, upset that you need to go somewhere. this just puts a hell of a lot of stress on our bodies.  and you could say, so what?  how is this bad?  I'm not saying it's bad, but what I'm saying is that after you are done stressing out about this and that, you are still left with a flat tire.  worrying, getting frustrated, or angry doesn't help the situation or your body. nor does it help you think of how to solve this situation.  you may even kick the car and feel better about it, but that satisfaction is only limited ofr a short amount of time.  how about trying to be clear headed as much as possible?  you know, BE responsible for your emotions.


the ego can limit us in many ways, and why isn't it good to at least get a good thought process on what the ego actually does!!

as markos once said "only the fish don't know their really wet"


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: GazzBut]
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If you see yourself as insignificant have you really lost your ego? or have you just started to view your ego in a different way?
Of course we are insignificant, but why feel negative about that?

Yes, one can feel insignificant and still be ego-less. I've felt what it's like to be nothing. After that, it's nearly impossible to continue on like the rest of society, striving to affirm social identity structures. Feeling insignificant is humility. It's comprehension that you are nothing more than that ant down by your feet. I didn't mean to make it sound negative.

that maybe a bit like a snowflake that tries to avoid the ground! We all play together, some play different parts. Perhaps those around you just arent playing the same tune as you!

Nah, it's hard to describe but, like I said above, after you feel what it is to be nothing, after you have all you define yourself by ripped away, it's impossible to get along with the rest of these people that just don't get it.

I hate to get all Freudian and stuff but do you think this feeling could point to something about yourself that you dont like? If not, what exactly is it you hate about society?

I'm not projecting any inward hatred. Society drives me fucking
nuts.

If one hates society, does that person show detachment from the mind?

Yes. Living in this society is like getting pelted with acid rain. One needn't have an ego to dislike a feeling. I said detachment from the mind using things to define the self. So consider society as afflicting a nerve ending.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: TrueBrode]
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ego loss is somthing of the hardest thing to explain to someone that havent experienced it when it comes to psycadelic things for me :wink: ive tried to explain some what it is but have given up,

btw 2c-i im not sure is the best tool to get ego loss. i found LSD to the best tool.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: TrueBrode]
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"I'm not projecting any inward hatred. Society drives me fucking
nuts."

so what you are saying then is that you are not responsible for your emotions and how you feel? that sounds a lot like ego to me.

getting mad or frustrated is simply a result of the world not working to the way you want it, and thus you may feel uncomfortable about it. you may not agree with it, but don't drive yourself insane because of it. that is not to say don't strive for change, but it is your own thoughts getting you crazy, not the world. only you can  make yourself angry, or upset, not the world you judge the world, and if it doesn't fit with your desires, then you get angry, frustrated, drive you nuts...etc.

you are using reality to supply yourself with happiness when we all know "in life, you win some and you lose some."

it's your ego suppling you with any emotion or any judgement of right and wrong. the fact that the ego can be taken away showed display that this is not what you ARE!  that your personality isn't what is essentially YOU.

you broke free of the image this civilizations works you towards!!  but don't stop there!!! so what if society is this way.  because you know that working from 9-5 isn't everything, can't you now look for a deeper level of satisfaction? if you realize your ego is not your essence, then you realize that your version of right and wrong can never be achieved in this world. nor is your way the only way. you can wonder the world with a VERY clean head, because you may realize, it's only me doing this to myself.  sure you have to have money, and a job, but don't let your ego drive you insane because you don't agree with it.  you will have to do things you don't want to do, but can't you do this while in a deep place in the back of your mind, this isn't EVERYTHING. 

try using your ego to see what your version of right and wrong is.  from there you can change that (it takes time but it's worth it) and essentially make it so your ego will no longer totally succumed your mind and body to what's "right and what's wrong"

I ask you to use your common sense here and know that sure if you don't have food or shelter or you are being attacked that yeah those negative emotions do have a part to play.

here's what I mean.  we have an instinct of fight or flight mechanism.  this is useful in the situation that you are being attacked, or  your life is in danger, but we use this FAR too much. especially since most of us here have our needs to live.  we have a computer do we not? 

we use this fight or flight mechansim when for instance we are in traffic.  your mind will secrete hormones and pump your bloodstream full of adrenaline.  this makes the mindchatter a whole lot more, clairity is lost, you put stress on your body, and the end result?  your still in traffic.

hehe I ramble a lot :lol: well whaddyaknow...post number 1400!!!! :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

Edited by kaiowas (04/21/04 07:16 PM)

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Re: Ego loss [Re: TrueBrode]
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"If one hates society, does that person show detachment from the mind?"

doesn't hate come from the ego. this society can be experienced in another way can't it?

Yes. Living in this society is like getting pelted with acid rain. One needn't have an ego to dislike a feeling. I said detachment from the mind using things to define the self. So consider society as afflicting a nerve ending"

are we or are we not responsible for our emotions?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Ego loss [Re: Frog]
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Um, is this one of those things where you have to do shrooms to get this experience? hehe.



I've had the experiecen on shrooms, in mystical visions and while meditating. So I would guess there's more than one way. The only method of achieving ego-loss while physically moving about was on shrooms, though.

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Wouldn't this be a difficult state to achieve?


Depends on the method you're using, and the mindset at the time of the attempt. It's easiest to achieve through meditation, I've found, because the 'void' state only takes about ten minutes to achieve. They key is not to be consciously waiting for it to happen, and not trying to steer in that direction.
Also, when on shrooms, once you get to ego-loss, there's no turning back. You're stuck in it until it wears off. That, and it seems to take longer. While meditating it's easy to end the void state. All you have to do is insert a thought, and it will most likely break the state.


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Yes, one can feel insignificant and still be ego-less. 


How can one feel insignificant without judging an experience and comparing it to experiences that are not in this moment? To label an experience and compare it to others requires comparison and filtering.

To compare the feelings and experience of taking a drink of water to another situation where water was drunk requires taking a moment to stop the direct experience of drinking the water in the first place. Your mind will limit your awareness from the feelings and sensations of drinking that water and will put more focus towards the labeling and comparison, the judging.

And, of course, the ego is the one responsible for doing all of this. Pure ego loss does not come with the thought of feeling insignifigant.. and yes, feeling insignifigant is an abstract thought we create ourselves... pure ego loss equates into pure experience.

I'm not sure if complete ego loss is possible... it is more a question of how your ego is structured and how you control it (or how it controls you, in the majority of the cases). The ego is like a complex machinery that takes in this pure energy (consciousness, awareness), and seperates it and places the energy into different areas, perhaps sensation or thought, different collections of thoughts.. it directs the focus and how much focus to be directed. Without the ego there is still consciousness, but it isn't focused and narrowed down, it is complete awareness. No feeling of identity, no memories of past, no comparisons being made... total head floating in the clouds, pure sensation-aware-eternity.  :grin:

It is about a healthy balance. There are times that we need to be able to do a lot of multi-tasking, and times where we don't have many things that HAVE to be done in the moment. In this chaotic world of billions developing in different countries and different families, with different ways of thinking everywhere, and all of this interaction and movement and time that keeps on ticking.. ticking... ticking.. it isn't common to find people who ever escape from being controlled by the ego as it was set up when they were young children, people who instead of feeding the emotion-backed addictions, use the signs that it is hungry to learn how to limit its power....
etc. etc. etc. etc.....

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Nah, it's hard to describe but, like I said above, after you feel what it is to be nothing, after you have all you define yourself by ripped away, it's impossible to get along with the rest of these people that just don't get it. 



I prefer the way of thinking where I continue to be happy and free and interact and play the games without attachment, and give people little bits of where I am at, based on who they are and where they are... life is a constantly evolving game, maybe if we would stop being so egotistical and so sure of our own individual perspective, we wouldn't look down on others who don't see the same things we see, and perhaps honestly help them.... *shrugs*

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If you can still type on your computer you are not even close to ego loss. (usually you will be drooling in the floor at this time :smile: )
I have reached ego loss several times (perhaps better described as ego sleep) and I can tell you is like dying, if you surrender to the dying experience you can transcend, you return to the source, what you experience there no words can describe.
And you need a lot of awareness to bring back some memories from it.
My humble opinion.


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I can tell you is like dying, if you surrender to the dying experience you can transcend, you return to the source, what you experience there no words can describe. And you need a lot of awareness to bring back some memories from it.



Very good description.


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