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'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless
    #11192390 - 10/06/09 09:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

First let us define ego as the self. The strongest argument against the notion of ego death, in my opinion, is that no matter whether you are thinking from one perspective or seemingly multiple perspectives, you always see them from the one root perspective.

The argument develops by redefining ego as a set of contructs that represent the self. This way, when you experience ego loss, your conception of self breaks down, rather than selfhood itself.

Furthermore, if a set of self constructs is disrupted, is there any diminishing of 'selfness' or is it a diminishing of a particular type of selfness?


If someone is Good, and they seem to be acting 'selflessly', are they trully selfless? or are they still selfish, with selves that include other people?

Perhaps, rather than thinking of good and evil as opposite forces, imagine there to be simply a level of selfishness and a level of selflessness between everyone. Goodness arises from a balance of self that includes others. Evil arises from a balance of self that excludes others. all these variables come in different degrees.


If people say they experience ego death when they take pyschedelic drugs does this mean a part of them is dying/ a process is ceasing? or does it simply mean that the self has changed, and becomes unrecognisable, foreign?

Similarly, is good and evil a matter of two opposing forces, 'good' and 'evil', or is it one force - 'selfdom', channeled in different ways?


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11192419 - 10/06/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

self importance = ego

seeing through self importance = a lil less ego

death = no ego


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11192437 - 10/06/09 09:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Right. IMO the ego is a necessary structure of the human organism. It helps us to navagate this reality and make sense of it. However the ego structure can be skillful or unskillful at this task. Some might say healthy or unhealthy.

IMO everyone acts selfishly at every moment. This is how seperate organisms are built. If I help someone at (seemingly) my expense it's because by helping them I am generating a feeling within myself that is more important to me than any thing I may risk. This can even enclude my life. So if I value love to a great degree I'm willing to suffer other things for it because that feelinng of love is so fulfilling to me.

I agree that "good and evil" are aspects of the same thing. I also think these are human concepts and not found anywhere else in our world and possibly not in the universe at large. The Tao does not care.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192473 - 10/06/09 09:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

We cant say its caring, but we cant say its uncaring :wink:

I suppose the real question of - can we live without ego?
Is - can we live like we are dead?

:rofl: this makes me extremely happy for some reason

One Zen monks constant teaching was 'live like you are already dead'


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Chronic7]
    #11192490 - 10/06/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Please explain in detail how one lives like they are dead?


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Chronic7]
    #11192532 - 10/06/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

couldn't personal detachment to the physical lead to ego loss?

if we detach ourselves from the physical we would just let life take its course

I think that is what a monk means by saying live life like you're already dead


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192548 - 10/06/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Please explain in detail how  a physical being detaches himself from his physicality?


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192555 - 10/06/09 09:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It's hard to comprehend ego loss even if you've been there.

Complete ego loss is a state of near unconciousness. A point at which one can barely even comprehend the state of mind at the moment.

I would say it's like losing the feeling of the body completley, forgetting that you're human, and at the very last stages of ego loss before loss of concsiousness, being able to only observe a speck of white on a vast endless background of light and not even having enough ego left to say, this is a white dot on a black background.

Ego is everything. Ego tells us to stretch, ego tells us to have sex, ego tells us to take the red pill.

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Fraggin]
    #11192573 - 10/06/09 09:49 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The argument develops by redefining ego as a set of contructs that represent the self. This way, when you experience ego loss, your conception of self breaks down, rather than selfhood itself.



I assure you I have had this experience. A temporary disruption of the personality structure is not ego death. If the ego dies the self dies.

Just samantics I guess.:shrug:


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192583 - 10/06/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

chapter 1 Tao Ti Ching by Lao Tzu
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The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.




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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192619 - 10/06/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That in no way answers the question. Try using your own words if you can.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192660 - 10/06/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sure it does...


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I assure you I have had this experience. A temporary disruption of the personality structure is not ego death. If the ego dies the self dies.









we cant define ego as the self because the ego is opposed to the self
your personality is a representation of the ego.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192674 - 10/06/09 10:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So  you don't know how a person who is physical can become non physical.

As I thought.:tongue:


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192682 - 10/06/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't studied any eastern philosophy, however my understanding of "ego-loss" from my own personal perspective.
I wrote this after a high dose LSD experience on my ego loss.  I was 18 years old at the time.
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I can't think of any words other than it feels like going back.  It feels like my mind is going back somewhere it has once been before.  A feeling of authentic direct experience.  It feels strangely familiar.  The feeling is accompanied by a thought of "This is what life is all about."  The resulting feeling is not a feeling of realization, its not something that the trip suddenly sparked.  Rather its something that the trip allowed me to go back and feel again.  It is the most profound feeling possible.  It feels like the answer to the question "what is the point of it all?"  The point of it all isn't an action, or thought.  But a feeling.  A feeling of divine transcendental pure experience.  It is being in every spatial place possible, and experiencing the past, present and future all simultaneously.  It is being all. 




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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11192714 - 10/06/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

From user trip reports, I have concluded that many people label their mindstate as ego loss when it is more along the lines of simply losing control of their thoughts. Their ego is no longer in control of what's going through their mind, and they may lose the ability to steer their thoughts where they want to go, the ego panics and a loss is experience, but it is not the loss of the ego altogether, it's the ego's loss of control.

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11192720 - 10/06/09 10:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard several differing and sometimes conflicting descriptions of ego loss from friends who claimed the experience. :shrug:

I think ego supression would be a better way to put it.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Fraggin]
    #11192724 - 10/06/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have had some crazy OOBE and encounters with strange beings before on high dose mushrooms. 

But i have only really had ego death from LSD.  High dose LSD... it is just relentless.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192747 - 10/06/09 10:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
So  you don't know how a person who is physical can become non physical.

As I thought.:tongue:




re-read that chapter I quoted and and yourself if you can still expect me to answer.


I know it doesn't sound practical: but, go be the rock....  that would be ego death.

and when I say be the rock, I mean be it how we perceive it to be.  because without being it we really don't know..


ego gives us self worth as we perceive relations to the physical.  ego is not truth.


but society relies on the ego.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192756 - 10/06/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It's obvious to me you don't know what you are talking about.

How is something you have as part of your being as a human (ego structure) not true?

It's as true as anything else.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192800 - 10/06/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

can you define universal truth? truth that exists without attachment?


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192810 - 10/06/09 10:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

no, I (or IMO any human) could not know what that was.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11192872 - 10/06/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok well.. that would be ego loss.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11192887 - 10/06/09 10:55 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

What would be ego loss?:confused: And wtf does that have to do with loss of physicality?


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11193488 - 10/06/09 12:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If people say they experience ego death when they take pyschedelic drugs does this mean a part of them is dying/ a process is ceasing? or does it simply mean that the self has changed, and becomes unrecognisable, foreign?

The ego is the sense of being a metaphysically free, sovereign agent that originates and controls its own thoughts, actions, and movements of the will while moving through time and space.

Ego death is the cessation, in the intense mystic altered state, of the sense and feeling of being a control-wielding agent moving through time and space. The sensation of wielding control is replaced by the experience of being helplessly, powerlessly embedded in spacetime as purely a product of spacetime, with control-thoughts being perceptibly inserted or set into the stream of thought by a hidden, uncontrollable source.

The Goal of Understanding Ego Death

Ego death leaves one’s initial, youthful “lie” behind. The “lie” is the confused mental worldmodel which assumes that oneself is the ultimate creator of one’s thoughts, actions, future, and movements of the will. The goal of testing control in the altered state is not to act out the loss of control in any way, but rather, to gain fundamental self-knowledge and correction of self-frustrating error and confusion. The goal of putting control to the test is to understand the nature and limits of control across time by exploring ideas of loss of control and transcendent restabilization of control.

The promise of increased power over oneself leads to realizing the logical impossibility of that mode of power, but produces instead a viable alternate conception, of secondary-level, reflected power. The vexing attempt to gain properly functioning self-control while holding a confused model of self-control ceases. The misleading sensation that the time-voyaging continuant agent is the originator of its power of will is recognized as a conventional misperception and mental oversimplification.

The image of the Lone Soul in Purgatory shows the soul as imprisoned in chains, purified in flames, and lifted up in redemptive release by transcendent power.

In Gnosticism, the completed initiate belongs to the Immovable Race and is able to stand stably in the face of overwhelming, autonomy-undermining controllership that emanates from the hidden, primary control-level. Insights about the limitations of personal control-power result in a wounding of pride, but the mind is otherwise unharmed, and made more durable (or “imperishable”). A personal control system becomes compatible with transcendence, or becomes “divinely approved”, when it repudiates the assumption that it can depend on its own internal power to save itself during a control-limit violation.
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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
    #11193516 - 10/06/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think DJ would agree.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11193551 - 10/06/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

DJ...?

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11193696 - 10/06/09 01:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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cyb3rtr0n said:
can you define universal truth?




Schrödinger's cat is not dead or alive, nor a mixture of either.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
    #11194532 - 10/06/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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TheBalance said:
DJ...?




Don Juan


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11200123 - 10/07/09 11:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry for bringing this back to the front page, but I didn't want to start a new thread. I have a bit of a conundrum.

To start off: I know what ego loss is, and I know what ego is.

Last weekend I took 8 grams dry. I haven't done shrooms in about 6 months, so I had zero tolerance to it. This is the highest dose I've ever done. I know I was in for what I was seeking: ego loss. I wanted to experience it, I wanted to understand it (or try to), and I wanted to learn. I've always been one for trying everything I can before my body dies. I've been bungee jumping, skydiving, diving, snowboarding, and hope to try ayahausca some time soon. It isn't the thrill that gets me - it's the experience. I guess it's the only thing going for me in my life. I don't really have anything else to say I've done. I dropped out of school and got a GED, I went for two semesters of community college, and I currently work for an outsourcing company as a records clerk. But enough about the small talk.

I am very confused about ego loss. I've seen so many people say it crushes your ego (or, conciousness). Let me explain how I felt during my, assumingly, peak. I live alone in my apartment. My girlfriend was sleeping at her house this night because her parents don't want her completely moving in yet. So as soon as I noticed my trip start to get very intense, I wobble over to my bed and lay down. My bed is a queen sized blow up mattress with sheets, a comforter, and pillows. I lay in the middle and attempt to stretch my arms out. At this point in time, everything in my house is different. My floor is connected to the middle of the wall, I feel like I'm walking on the ceiling, my dresser is beyond having a face and has turned into its own Beauty & The Beast-type being. It was crazy.

So I'm laying there, my noodly arms stretched out, and I'm on my back looking at the patterns of colored fractals on the ceiling. I feel as if my ceiling is caving in, more of a really BIG morph, and it droops down to my face, and I lose visual connection with reality.

"I" am now in limbo.

This is the part that confuses me. The entity that is the existence of myself, is no longer in the real world (in my mind). I understand this. I forget about everything. I don't know who I am, what my name is, where I was, or anything about my life. I don't even remember the concept of language. I just know.

But that's the catcher. Ego death is supposed to be complete elimination of one's self. In retrospect, "I" should not exist. However, to me, there is still awareness. At that moment in time I wouldn't be able to comprehend the fact that I was even alive. But obviously there is some type of sentience. And that is my mind.

As I remember the sights I was seeing that night, after I was blasted into "limbo" the first visuals that I could recall, and when I say visuals, it's more of "thought" but represented as colors, because I obviously wasn't seeing a bunch of colors. So think of this "limbo" state as dreaming. Except there is no objects, no matter, no air. Just color. Red, blue, green, and yellow. No black, No white. As I started to come down, "I" was becoming more aware of the situation. I started to "THINK". The first thought that I started to think about was my girlfriend. We been together for a few years now, and she means the world to me. Always has. It took a couple of hours to completely come back, but I did and it was very peaceful. After I had came back, I realized I was on my bed. That's when material started to come in. I remembered. I'm in the real world now. I threw up over the side of my bed. After that, I was a little shaky, weak, when I talked it sounded like I had rocks in my mouth because it was hard for me to move my lips and tongue to form words correctly. (I was talking to myself a bit)

So the question is, is this REALLY ego loss? I feel the same, just a bit happier, and my ego wasn't really "re-built," it's the same as before.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11200128 - 10/07/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Please explain in detail how one lives like they are dead?




no more mental projection/imagination
just an empty shell of being
no attachment to anything

its sounds horrible!

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Xog]
    #11200170 - 10/07/09 12:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The entity that is the existence of myself, is no longer in the real world (in my mind). I understand this. I forget about everything. I don't know who I am, what my name is, where I was, or anything about my life. I don't even remember the concept of language. I just know.



Everyones got an opinion about what ego death is and everyone is the expert.

So here's my guess. The high dose of shroomes overwhelmed your personality structure to the extent that you don't operate normally. This is very useful IMO if you don't mystify it or make wild guesses and just believe they are true.

I would look at yourself after the experience, any real change on a day to day level after six months or so? Then that may be what happened and it's based IMO in your psychological growth.


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11200285 - 10/07/09 12:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So here's my guess. The high dose of shroomes overwhelmed your personality structure to the extent that you don't operate normally. This is very useful IMO if you don't mystify it or make wild guesses and just believe they are true.

I would look at yourself after the experience, any real change on a day to day level after six months or so? Then that may be what happened and it's based IMO in your psychological growth.


I was expecting and hoping it would overwhelm my personality structure - I was also hoping out of this experience to become a better person, to better understand my lazy habits, and be able to understand what type of change in my life I would need to put a change in the way I do things to become more successfull. You say six months, so right now is obviously very early. I wasn't able to figure out anything that would help. All I can really say was that it was a very relaxing, enjoyable and interesting experience. It was quite different than my previous 4 gram dose in the fact that I was sitting comfortably on level 5 at 8 grams. I had thought I reached level 5 on 4 grams, as to the extent of losing visual connectivity with the real world, but the experience was not even close to this one. I guess I can say it was more liberating, but not encouraging for anything. As of this moment, just 4 days after, all I can say about it so far, is that it was enjoyable and worth it. I hope I can say more about this experience in the future. I don't know what to make of it.

I don't like sugar coating anything, and I won't mistify it. There would be no point to. My girlfriend saw me on Monday, a full 35 hours after I had come down from the trip and didn't even notice anything different about me. On Tuesday I had told her about the trip, and she hadn't noticed any changes in me. Not even a hang over. I don't notice anything different about me either. I'm completely the same. I haven't learned anything from it, maybe I will learn over the next 6 months like you mentioned, but right now I don't really understand what that meant. I hope to find out. Thanks


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Xog]
    #11201348 - 10/07/09 03:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I can't tell you how refreshing this post is for me. I love your honesty is that it was enjoyable and worth it.

This maybe the best thing of all, life is for living and the psychedelic experience is one of the best events in life IMO. We can speculate to our hearts content on what it all means past the actual event but in reality that event was it.

And you get to decide what it all means and you will be right (but only for you)

Great post and great trip. You're the kind of guy I like to trip balls with.:heart:


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11201384 - 10/07/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

TheBalance said:
DJ...?




Don Juan




Of course...

'Any movement of the assemblage point means a movement away
from an excessive concern with the individual self. Shamans believe
it is the position of the assemblage point which makes modern man a
homicidal egoist, a being totally involved with his self-image.
Having lost hope of ever returning to the source of everything, the
average man seeks solace in his selfishness.'
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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
    #11201404 - 10/07/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Very good:thumbup:

Everything I know I learned from him.:lol: And he most likely never existed.:rofl2:


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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: Icelander]
    #11201438 - 10/07/09 03:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Very good:thumbup:

Everything I know I learned from him.:lol: And he most likely never existed.:rofl2:




Exactly.
Useful device, imo.

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Re: 'Ego Loss' and what it means to lose your ego or be selfless [Re: TheBalance]
    #11201475 - 10/07/09 03:51 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Sure caught my attention. I read the first four books 21 times. Each reading made more sense and it took me time to realize it was set in a fantasy to capture my attention. Which it did. It really took about thirty years for me to really be able to apply some of the important stuff in my life.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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