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Few Days No growth?
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Hello, I started a bulk grow about a week and a half ago with 5 quart jars of colonized birdseed (Puerto Rican Strain) and I birthed them into deep aluminum bread jars. Half were put in with a combo of cow poo, worm casting, coffee, vermiculite, and coco coir. The other half were put in with coco alone and I put all into a shotgun box, they all showed great growth when I kept the aluminum foil lids on them but I took them off a few days in thinking it was time and there were a few large droplets of water on the tops of some of them which I wiped off with a cotton ball. Now they are exhibiting no growth what so ever! They had grown to be about 45% colonized on top and I haven't seen them move in a few days! What should, can I do? Thanks everyone for your insight.

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Also, forgot to mention but it was growing for 7 days with the foil on and 5 without now. Should I toss foil back on it?

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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So you have an uncolonized bulk tray sitting in a shotgun FC?  That's not good...  Sounds like you needed more patience.  It usually takes 7-10 days for bulk to colonize, sometimes more depending on your spawn to bulk ratios.  Two rules of thumb:  1.) don't do a lot of peeking before your bulk is fully colonized to reduce contamination risk.  2.) only when it's fully colonized do you introduce it to fruiting conditions.

You want to keep your foil covering your trays until they're fully colonized.  You want C02 levels to build up.  Now that the foil is off, they're getting FAE, which is a pinning trigger, yet they're not fully colonized, which is the biggest pinning trigger.  You may be fucked, I don't know...  Also make sure you've poked some fork holes into that foil and covered with micropore tape to allow for gas exchange.

The water droplets were just condensation, which is normal.  As long as there isn't water pooling on the surface, condensation isn't going to hurt anything.

When you're letting your bulk trays colonize, leave them sitting somewhere where the ambient temperature is in the mid 70s (room temp).  Let it sit for at least a full week before peeking (although sometimes I can't wait that long :lol:).  If need be, let it sit for a few more days until the top is totally covered in mycelium.  I like layering my bulk and spawn and leaving a top layer of poo so that by the time that top layer is fully colonized, I'm almost assured that the rest is.

Don't stick an uncolonized tray into fruiting conditions!  The mycelium is waiting for total colonization of it's surroundings before knowing it's time to pin!  And uncolonized bulk is very vulnerable to contamination!  Double fucked!  I suppose you could try and cover the tray and let it finish colonizing but I don't know what the absolute best thing to do in this case is.

Good luck though 


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Damn, I didn't realize I shouldn't have put them in the shotty without fully colonizing, or that I should have left the lid on for a full week.

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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I know I sound like an ubernoob, this is my first attempt at a bulk grow, obviously I am going to need to keep working at it. Will it still pin even if the entire thing isn't colonized?

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Basically I want to know if there is any way to save this and if so how?

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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pull it out of the FC replace foil add holes cover with micropore tape let sit in incubatore for a week or two,

GL


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: Project]
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not fully colonized, which is the biggest pinning trigger.



Uhh...  No.  Swim never puts fully colonized trays in to fruit.  If anything, he has found much worse results from letting the trays fully colonize.  Although there is a diverse range of opinions about this (most of which are stupid, because no one has taken the time to study and compare) I think the general consensus on this board is to wait for small patches to appear and then pin.

Sounds to me more like you wrecked the mycelium on the top.  Let`s stop bitching about FAE and humidity constantly (standard answer to every problem on this board) and think about what would impede pinning and colonization.  Hmm.  Perhaps destroying your top layer of mycelium with a Kleenex!!?

Easy fix, just recase the tops with coir.  And no, don`t bother removing from the FC, it`s not going to make a difference.


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Okay, thanks alot everyone!

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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How are we supposed to trust SWIM?:rolleyes:


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Who  or what is swim?

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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SWIM (someone who isn't me)  get it remember it I'm tired of writing it.


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: feelfunny]
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feelfunny said:
SWIM (someone who isn't me)  get it remember it I'm tired of writing it.


:ilold:


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Edited by dpga (09/16/09 04:22 PM)

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: dpga]
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i always thought it meant some woman in massachussettes


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: nastos]
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well i really diddnt know what it ment either thanks feelfunny for clearing this up :cool:

i still love it though when someone uses SWIM then puts "me" or "I" right after that


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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Well if i'm not supposed to trust anyone who isn't me then how the hell am I possibly supposed to fix this without already knowing what to do? Or how am I supposed to take any advice from anyone on here?

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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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well first we are here to help not fuck you over and you should have never put them in to the fc until they are fullycolnizeda try with 1-2 spawn and coir colonized fully then put in fc14 days latter that ancwer you question? if not then what else do you need?


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: iRdchr]
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don't over think it dude.


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: Poseidon]
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Poseidon said:
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not fully colonized, which is the biggest pinning trigger.



Uhh...  No.  Swim never puts fully colonized trays in to fruit.  If anything, he has found much worse results from letting the trays fully colonize.  Although there is a diverse range of opinions about this (most of which are stupid, because no one has taken the time to study and compare) I think the general consensus on this board is to wait for small patches to appear and then pin.

Sounds to me more like you wrecked the mycelium on the top.  Let`s stop bitching about FAE and humidity constantly (standard answer to every problem on this board) and think about what would impede pinning and colonization.  Hmm.  Perhaps destroying your top layer of mycelium with a Kleenex!!?

Easy fix, just recase the tops with coir.  And no, don`t bother removing from the FC, it`s not going to make a difference.


hes not using a casing layer. The coir is part of his bulk substrate mix


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Re: Few Days No growth? [Re: Poseidon]
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First of all, you apparently didn't read enough about bulk.  You ALWAYS wait for 100% colonization, whether you're spawning to bulk or doing BRF style cakes.

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Poseidon said:
Quote:
not fully colonized, which is the biggest pinning trigger.



Uhh...  No.  Swim never puts fully colonized trays in to fruit.  If anything, he has found much worse results from letting the trays fully colonize.  Although there is a diverse range of opinions about this (most of which are stupid, because no one has taken the time to study and compare) I think the general consensus on this board is to wait for small patches to appear and then pin.

Sounds to me more like you wrecked the mycelium on the top.  Let`s stop bitching about FAE and humidity constantly (standard answer to every problem on this board) and think about what would impede pinning and colonization.  Hmm.  Perhaps destroying your top layer of mycelium with a Kleenex!!?

Easy fix, just recase the tops with coir.  And no, don`t bother removing from the FC, it`s not going to make a difference.


Poseidon apparently didn't read the post.  The bulk sub wasn't cased, which would apply to the OP's problem if the OP had cased.  Yes, being fully colonized IS a pinning trigger.  When the mycelium noticed there is nothing left to colonize, it WILL induce itself into fruiting, even without light or FAE.  It's the only way for it to continue its life cycle.  Kinda like humans growing wisdom teeth;  when your body senses that it's time, they're gonna grow.

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