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crumble a cake?
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if i made a tray with say the pf tek substrate (kinda like a casing tray)and crumble a fully colonized cake over that wouldnt it grow hella more?or would it not work at all?or if i made a cake in a flatish square tupaware would that work better?the same?not at all?
please explain...:mushroom2::confused:


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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you have the same amount of substrate.

need I say more?


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: Roadkill]
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+1 same amount of substrate , and by crumbling and casing you open a new vector for contaminants , and our lose 2-3 days to recover for your mycelium network recovery .


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: whereismymind]
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I think what the OP is saying is that he plans to use more BRF and verm to create a kind of "bigger tupperware cake" and using a fully colonized PF cake to colonize that. So in essence he would have more substrate, but I have no idea if it would work or just contam like hell.


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: FunkadelicFlash]
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Yeah, goddamn contamination...Sure, I'm sterile as hell, but I can't help to be confused by the fact that these things grow in nature and they seem to do fine without all these procedures...whatever, pimpin' aint easy....

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: m00nshine]
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m00nshine said:
Yeah, goddamn contamination...Sure, I'm sterile as hell, but I can't help to be confused by the fact that these things grow in nature and they seem to do fine without all these procedures...whatever, pimpin' aint easy....



fungis grows in nature along side many contaminants. Nature has its way of regulating things. Trich is in soil, its benificail to plants, as are other fungi that would be ruin indoor projects.

Were growing in food sources that are not only great food for our mushroom fungus but also many other contaminants, theres nothing to regulate it, so if it gets into the food source, it will usually always outgrow mushroom mycelium.

If you want to spawn your cakes to more susbtrate, use coir. it can be prepared easily in much larger amounts and doesnt need to be sterilised. It just need to be pasturised which can be much easier and quicker prepared in larger amounts.

You would have to sterilise your PF mix in the pressure cooker in jars, then mix it with colinised cakes in a sterilise enviroment, and sealed back up and filters so it doesnt contaminate.


It is possible to do, but i wouldnt do it in trays. Theres a method that takes 1 fully colinised cake and that gets mixed with 4 freshly sterilised cakes, in a clean ziplock bag. All done inside of a glovebox.

Make sure you clean your jars well with alcohol, and the ziplock bag, before mixng and also get rid of the dry vermiculite layer. You can miss out the verm layer to make it easier and use tyvek or filter discs as a filter instead like grain jars.

Its kind like grain to grain transfers.


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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
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Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: veda_sticks]
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Yeah, makes sense...Survival of the fittest contaminant or spore. I'm a little anxious because I think I need to take off the tape on some of my PF jars and I can't remember if I've done this before....I think I've always left them sealed. I just don't want to introduce them to contaminants, but I don't want them to stall either.

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: m00nshine]
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Your dry verm layer is your filter, that keeps out contaminants. If your tape is micropore tape, then you can leave it on as  a safeguard it will still allow gas exchange. If its not breathable then take it off, your jars need gas exchange.

Micropore tape is like paper, not plastic


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PF TEK - writeup by EvilMushroom666
Lets Grow Mushrooms - RogerRabbit & RoadKills website with sample videos plus the full PF TEK video series. Alot of great information - BUY THE DVD
Cakes can and will pin! - So you think cakes suck for pins. Your wrong
Franks Simple Coir/Verm Tek
Franks Proper Pasturisation Tek
Franks Spawning To Bulk - Monotub
Professor Pinheads RTV Injection Port Tek
Foo Mans No Soak WBS Prep Tek

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: veda_sticks]
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oh...ummm....hmmm...im just tryin to grow more than wut you get off cakes but dont have a PC and have never grown shrooms b4 anyone got a suggestion to point me towards the write tek for that?


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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oh and i figured if the substrate had more surface area to grow youd get more


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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Grow more 1/2 pint jars. When colonized, spawn them to bulk like coir/coffee. Using more BRF isn't the answer. IF it doesn't fail it will still take forever to colonize. NO GAIN GOING BIGGER with BRF. Spawn to bulk if you want larger yields.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10152387/fpart/1

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: AlienTechKilla]
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i dont really understand casing or spawning to bulk substrate ive been looking at casing but could someone plz explain the concept of that?casing gets more than cakes rite?


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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Spawning = introducing live mycelium to a large growing substrate, usually via colonized grains or crumbled cakes.

Casing = a moisture-regulating layer of non-nutritious material covering the substrate.  This provides a microclimate for the mycelium, and some find it easier to keep proper humidity and temperature conditions for fruiting using a casing layer.

Casing layers are applied to trays of bulk sub. A tray of bulk is NOT a "casing tray."  The terms are not interchangeable.

Cubies don't require a casing layer, but some species of mushrooms do.  I personally don't usually case my bulk subs... but to each their own.

*Quick edit, I have not, personally, noticed any significant difference in yield between my cased and uncased subs.  You seem to have had a little terminology confusion, which I hope is now cleared up.  To answer your question, BULK SUBS will yield more than individual cakes, because there is simply more mycelium generating fruitbodies.  Any difference in yield between cased and uncased trays seems to be the result of difficulties keeping optimum fruiting conditions without one.

Edited by Deviou5 (05/07/09 04:55 PM)

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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To put it simply, spawning is the process of using your already colonized grains/substrate to inoculate more substrate. 

Bulk substrates (like poo or coir) cannot be inoculated with spores.  So people inoculate BRF cakes or grains with spores, which then becomes their spawn which they mix into another uncolonized substrate for the purpose of expanding or multiplying their mycelium.  I'm sure you understand this concept because your question is basically asking if you can spawn your BRF cake into more BRF.

My guess is that you're looking for a way to up your game from simply fruiting off of BRF cakes.  What you want to do is spawn your BRF cakes to poo or coir.  Read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/723303#723303

But to answer your original question.  NO, don't crumble your cake unless you're using it for spawn.  If not, just fruit it as a cake.

(I hope I was clear. I did my best)

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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: Dudester67]
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well my jars  got too hott its been a week and a day and nothin


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Re: crumble a cake? [Re: blazeup420]
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not true. be paitient but look for contams. keep them but keep them away from your other projects.
seriously though read the link in my sig. read it slowly and carefully. when you get to a certain point in the article you shall be enlightened and it will feel gooooood. your answers are there.
-good luck :smile:

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