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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: Molasses]
    #7738040 - 12/09/07 10:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You can get free coffee grounds from your local Starbucks. From what I understand, They have 'em all bagged up and ready, as Grounds For Your Garden, or some such thing.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: Molasses]
    #7738084 - 12/09/07 10:15 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

it would probably be better to just add the grounds to your mixture instead of substituting something else for it. coffee doesn't hold water half as well as verm does. i don't know what the optimum percentage of coffee is but it works no matter how much you put in, but allot of people have nice success with 10%-20% but that is when mixed with coir, so i am also excited to see what RR has to say about it. it might be enough just to hydrate your brf mixture with the required amount of water mixed 50/50 with spent coffee grounds that is how RR (and me thanks to RR) hydrates his grains, or at least he has done it that way and recommended it, am not sure if he does this still though.

and you must use used coffee grounds because new are still WAY too acidic for myc. if you don't want to make the coffee do what i do, get your grounds from starbucks, all you have to do is ask and they are free. or just run some hot water through the grounds till you leech some of that acidity. it might also work with new grounds if you correct the Ph with a buffer but that seems like a lot of work.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: thedefone]
    #7738093 - 12/09/07 10:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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thedefone said:
You can get free coffee grounds from your local Starbucks. From what I understand, They have 'em all bagged up and ready, as Grounds For Your Garden, or some such thing.




you guys are too quick for me, darn slow typing skills and slow internet. mainly slow typing skills. haha


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7739488 - 12/10/07 09:15 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Shrooms like acid substrates. The problem is that molds like it also, and they grow faster than cube mycelium.

That is why we correct the pH of bulk subs, because they will be exposed to air and contams.

If the substrate is in a jar or bag, in theory contaminate spores landing on the substrate isn't an issue so you can leave the substrate at that acid pH that the mycelium likes, and don't have to add lime.

On the other hand, unused coffee might be too acid, I son't know the pH of unsused coffee, but the slightly acid used coffee grounds are a good pH for mycelium.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: Nibin]
    #7739534 - 12/10/07 09:44 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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coffee doesn't hold water half as well as verm does.




Incorrect. Coffee grinds hold as much water per cup as verm.
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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7741094 - 12/10/07 05:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

really...well then its good that you were here. thanks RR! off to play with new substrate recipes then.

but does verm hold water for a longer period of time than grinds? or is that a misconception as well?

by the way, not trying to be a brown-noser but ive always wanted to thank you RR, I follow your methods and advice religiously, i would be lost without you and a few of the others around here. and i think its so cool knowing that you actually have read some of my posts! :biggrin:


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7749977 - 12/12/07 06:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think this might be a good additions to the cake archive. I don't see anything there about alternative ingredients.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: stcore]
    #7761349 - 12/15/07 12:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

So, I picked up some dark rye flour from
Bob's Red Mill. I'm not sure if I want to mix with brf, or try them separately. Wanna try rice bran too.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7762172 - 12/15/07 05:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Why not try them all, I am excited to see all the different results from alternate cake substrate ingredients. My goal is to someday get an FC full of stacked non-poo cakes to outperform a poo monotub of the same size.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7762917 - 12/15/07 08:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have a feeling that there will be something as simple as poo and as affective, but it will probably be plausible to out-do a poo monotub with a quite complicated substrate.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: ewikk055]
    #7765570 - 12/16/07 03:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't have a feeling that there will be something as simple as poo and as affective, but it will probably be plausible to out-do a poo monotub with a quite complicated substrate.




I realize that poo is the most effective "simple" (I use simple for lack of a better word) substrate, but the idea is to prove to some certain disbelievers I know that h-poo, and monotubs for that matter, are not the do-all and end-all of mushroom cultivation. I personally prefer complex substrates and casings but I am definitely not against poo, or mono tubs. I have personal experience with both and they work great, all I am out to prove is that they can be topped by an FC full of cakes, which many people I associate with are led to believe cannot be done.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7765590 - 12/16/07 03:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The biological efficiency of cakes is way superior to that of poo, even without changing the basic pf formula.

A amount of cakes that weigh the same as the amount of poo you use, will give more fruits, but it will be a pain in the ass to have FCs for all of them.


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Re: Best PF cake substrate ingredients? [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7765605 - 12/16/07 03:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've been working with steel cut oats with some success.
The newest batch is mostly all steel cut oats with less then 1 cup of verm in it.

I've got one of my previous oat experiments in the fc right now spawned to composted cow manure from lowes.

RR's video reminded me of the shroomery. I used to read up on growing here back in '98 when it was still newish and I had forgot all these years until the RR video sample on youtube. anyway. . .

Bob's Red Mill Steel Cut Oats. Or Irish Oatmeal Steel Cut Oats.
Mycelium seem to love that shit.

I've also read about Bob's Red Mill 12 grain flour being a great substitute in the PF cake but i've never tried it. I looked for it at the store but couldn't find it amongst all the other Bob Red Mill stuff.


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