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Photon Entropy?
    #10112574 - 04/05/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Does the light from the stars keep going infinitely out into the void or does it curve back around and eventually come back?


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10112631 - 04/05/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure it keeps going because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10112645 - 04/05/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

If it does turn back, it would presumably take too long to do so for us to measure it.

What is the philosophical and/or spiritual significance of this question?


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10112714 - 04/05/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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If it does turn back, it would presumably take too long to do so for us to measure it.




Well that explains why when I flicked my new hi-power LED flashlight at the sky and then waited all night to see it come back and - nuttin'.

Spiritual significance is obvious: if the light comes back and we are beings made of light, then we will come back as well. :cool:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10112717 - 04/05/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

We are made of light?


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10112722 - 04/05/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I imagine it would continuously diffuse out into space until eventually every photon gets pulled into a super massive black hole in the centers of galaxies. Many of the photons will be converted into another form of energy such as heat. A very small number of photons may escape to see the end of the universe, which no one knows how it will end. Theoretically it could be possible for the photons to travel until the point where they come back if the fabric of space-time had a curvature to it. Scientists believe that because the universe is expanding, that it all came from one point, the Big Bang. The universe may actually be expanding from countless points rather than just one. The "known" universe as they call it, is all expanding from one point but that doesn't mean that it's the only center of expansion. So what this really boils down to is it all depends on the true structure of the Universe which is unknown.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10112798 - 04/05/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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if the light comes back and we are beings made of light, then we will come back as well.




The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, which means that energy is eternal. It has no beginning and no end. We aren't made of light but light is reflecting off us. We are however made of energy which is the raw material for everything in existence. So the energy that we're made of will remain forever but it will break down into other forms of energy. Who's to say that our consciousness energy doesn't remain forever? Life/consciousness/soul w/e is a form of energy that very likely exists on an eternal level. When we die, our bodies' energy gets converted into other forms of energy but what happens to the consciousness energy? Maybe it doesn't break down when we die but rather exits into another realm. Scientists have basically unknowingly demonstrated that there are other dimensions. The Big Bang is basically proof. All this energy that our universe is constructed of didn't just come from nowhere because that violates the Law of Conservation of Energy. Therefore, it could be nothing other than the product of another dimension. You can't create an entire universe from nothing, obviously. Black holes which were once theory but now fact are also evidence of other dimensions. Super massive black holes in the centers of galaxies have been pulling countless stars and energy into their depths which appear to be infinite. That energy must be going somewhere. Unless it's exiting into another part of our dimension, like some scientists believe, it has to be going into another universe. Sorry I'm getting way off topic here.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #10113027 - 04/05/09 09:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Law of conservation of energy only applies to our universe, anything outside/before the universe it doesn't apply.

And what is all this about consciousness energy?

You've got stuff about "Who's to say that this isn't...." is just appealing it ignorance. I could just as easily say "Who's to say it is"


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10113068 - 04/05/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I see where you're coming from. A lot of the things I say are just my beliefs and I tend to fail to mention that they're just my beliefs/philosophies. I'm just trying to get the gears turning in people's brains.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10113124 - 04/05/09 09:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You've got stuff about "Who's to say that this isn't...." is just appealing it ignorance. I could just as easily say "Who's to say it is"




Sounds like you have the makings of a 15 pager there. Go for it! :pirate:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10113148 - 04/05/09 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Law of conservation of energy only applies to our universe, anything outside/before the universe it doesn't apply.




If I take one step outside the universe *boing* no law of conservation and anarchy reigns supreme; then I step back in the universe *boing* and once again all forces are under martial law.

Hmmm, I wonder how many times I could do that in under a minute...


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #10113172 - 04/05/09 09:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:

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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: illume]
    #10113187 - 04/05/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I want to hate you, but your avatar won't let me. :tongue2:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10113229 - 04/05/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah that's one nice avatar :smile:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10113325 - 04/05/09 09:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Law of conservation of energy only applies to our universe, anything outside/before the universe it doesn't apply.




If I take one step outside the universe *boing* no law of conservation and anarchy reigns supreme; then I step back in the universe *boing* and once again all forces are under martial law.

Hmmm, I wonder how many times I could do that in under a minute...




First you would have to be able to get to the "Edge" of the universe, whatever that may be, and then you would have to be able to travel fast enough to get out of it, assuming that the universe is not curved and then.... well you already know where im going with this because I have read enough of your posts to know you're an intelligent human being.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10113356 - 04/05/09 09:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yoo-hoo, oh moderator... :grin:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114516 - 04/06/09 02:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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If I take one step outside the universe *boing* no law of conservation and anarchy reigns supreme; then I step back in the universe *boing* and once again all forces are under martial law.

Hmmm, I wonder how many times I could do that in under a minute...





Hey, thats a part of quantum theory.  Did you know that, or independently invent it?  :wink:

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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: DieCommie]
    #10114526 - 04/06/09 02:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

*cue Monty Norman guitar theme - Dum diddy dum dum, da diddy dum diddy dum dum*

My name is Foam, Quantum Foam...


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114536 - 04/06/09 02:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why would the light come back?


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114567 - 04/06/09 03:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I guess that depends on the size of the highway your little light beam buggy has to cruise down, and proportionally how long it's going to be around for.

p.s...I wasn't here. :shiftyeyes:


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