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Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife
    #7513609 - 10/13/07 09:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

One Law of Thermodynamics states: "Energy is neither created nor destroyed."

All-too-often, ignorant fluffernauts toss this out as some sort of evidence for an afterlife even though it has been debunked endlessly by the most basic of physics.

Take an old CD and smash it into a zillion pieces or run a powerful magnet over your hard drive. What happens? INFORMATION (not matter or energy) is lost.

When any animal dies, its memories and personality are lost, but the energy and matter remains the same. There is no loss of energy that travels to another magical realm.

End of story.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513643 - 10/13/07 09:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps. :shrug:


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513656 - 10/13/07 09:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Elvish physics operates on different principles. :fairy:


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513708 - 10/13/07 09:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

some trippy thoughts for a saturday night:

whether or not our memories and personalities belong to something which is not our memories and personalities and they keep these as some kind of souvenir of our journey to hold on to or throw away if they don't like it

whether our information is contained in a closed loop or an open loop. if it is a closed loop, then if you take them away (death) then it's kind of like it never existed in the first place. If it's an open loop, then it was always a part of something greater connected to it and this is what our soul is?

i'll give an example to explain what I think a closed loop is like. let's say you have a concept: "god"

now we have this concept, and we can debate for centuries what it's attributes are. Or, we can deny the concept and it's attributes both. Kant would say we can't define a concept into being but that something exists if it has the attributes we recognize it as.

so our identities could be nothing more than a closed loop (a kind of logical abstraction to frame properties), and the death of ourselves is nothing but the release of a closed concept in a greater mind. If we are an open loop, then are information is not lost because our death could actually an increase in information - the difference being instead of ourselves being like an equation (2+2=4), we would be a sequence within the equation

im losing myself now, i need to start learning about math and matrices..


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513719 - 10/13/07 09:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That's a fairy not an elf. :razz:
The matter of fact is that I really have no idea about what happens to our information after we die but I'm still trying to find out what happens to it as long as we live. :sherlock:


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513745 - 10/13/07 09:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Your personality and what makes you "you", is all lost in transition. At that point what matters is the type of energy you are, positive or negative. I assume you know what to do in your lifetime to make your energy positive. It's good for the grand scheme of things.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513761 - 10/13/07 09:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

We would, in a sort of way, still be in the memories of our loved ones and those who hate us for what we were.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7513778 - 10/13/07 09:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Prove it.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513811 - 10/13/07 10:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
One Law of Thermodynamics states: "Energy is neither created nor destroyed."

All-too-often, ignorant fluffernauts toss this out as some sort of evidence for an afterlife even though it has been debunked endlessly by the most basic of physics.

Take an old CD and smash it into a zillion pieces or run a powerful magnet over your hard drive. What happens? INFORMATION (not matter or energy) is lost.

When any animal dies, its memories and personality are lost, but the energy and matter remains the same. There is no loss of energy that travels to another magical realm.

End of story.




i don't know for sure if there is an afterlife or not, as i don't think i could ever know for sure in this lifetime. it is certainly a possibility that there is no experience after death... no doubt about it. it is something i accept at times. but not all seeds flower, i also see it possible that some can ascend and some cannot. awareness can flower and ignorance can prevent this.

just want to know where i can find evidence that there is no afterlife.

yes or no question:

do none of us experience after death?


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513821 - 10/13/07 10:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
One Law of Thermodynamics states: "Energy is neither created nor destroyed."

All-too-often, ignorant fluffernauts toss this out as some sort of evidence for an afterlife even though it has been debunked endlessly by the most basic of physics.

Take an old CD and smash it into a zillion pieces or run a powerful magnet over your hard drive. What happens? INFORMATION (not matter or energy) is lost.

When any animal dies, its memories and personality are lost, but the energy and matter remains the same. There is no loss of energy that travels to another magical realm.

End of story.




The language being used here indicates a belief that an eternal self, if it did exist, would be synonymous with the "memories and personality", a.k.a. the mind. Less psychologically mature people equate the self with the body. The more psychologically advanced discover the "soul" (or the witness that watches the mind) and identify the self with this soul. And beyond this is the "spirit", or the identification with being... and on.

So no, that's not the end of story, or the final word, as you commonly falsify.

Many of the posts in this forum are simply people's mile markers, and the coinciding need for the validation of the distance traveled, as if the destination has been reached. There is no destination, and no end-all-know-all.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513830 - 10/13/07 10:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

One could even argue the other way around:
Since the big bang the information was ever there - it only constantly reorganizes (itself). As energy, mass and information are connected over the time.
Information is only the 'arrangement' of energy and mass which has to be interpreted.
For us, it is difficult to interpret information once it has changed, transformed or reorganized.
:2cents:


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7513864 - 10/13/07 10:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Less psychologically mature people equate the self with the body.




ANd some people just make shit up with no supporting evidence in order to feel superior.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7513889 - 10/13/07 10:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ts727 said:
Your personality and what makes you "you", is all lost in transition. At that point what matters is the type of energy you are, positive or negative. I assume you know what to do in your lifetime to make your energy positive. It's good for the grand scheme of things.




Do you think that the more complex we become, the more of an impact the state of our energy has? The more complex we are, the more responsibilities we hold? This must be why some people talk about "upholding creation"...


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513900 - 10/13/07 10:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What do you watch?? Time.
Well if we are a spark and we are let loose on the grid traveling at the cosmic speed limit...
Um... eternity as you approach the relative orientation of the physical.
Pass that shit as you die and it never ends depending on your speed.
Infinity and due amounts of fluff.
But this is mine, not yours.
I'll make it up as long as this is the business.
You got a TV??


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7513907 - 10/13/07 10:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Watch what??


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7513911 - 10/13/07 10:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Novelty buddy!! Where does it come from??


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7513915 - 10/13/07 10:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: sensitive are we?



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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7513928 - 10/13/07 10:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Moderator Edit: Restoring on-topic discussion by removing personalisms from thread. Everyone participating in this thread is advised to review the forum rules and guidelines, and to realize that we discuss the ideas that posters present, and not the identity and personal nature of the individuals posting. Personalisms, as well as responses to personalisms, are being removed - the guilty know who they are.


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7513943 - 10/13/07 10:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
That's a fairy not an elf. :razz:
The matter of fact is that I really have no idea about what happens to our information after we die but I'm still trying to find out what happens to it as long as we live. :sherlock:




i like that response lol


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Re: Law of Conservation of Energy and The Afterlife [Re: onlynow]
    #7513948 - 10/13/07 10:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Moderator Edit: Restoring on-topic discussion by removing personalisms from thread. Everyone participating in this thread is advised to review the forum rules and guidelines, and to realize that we discuss the ideas that posters present, and not the identity and personal nature of the individuals posting. Personalisms, as well as responses to personalisms, are being removed - the guilty know who they are. :smirk:


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