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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #10114587 - 04/06/09 12:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Does the light from the stars keep going infinitely out into the void


as far as i know photon decays into the radio spectrum (comsmic background radiation)


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114643 - 04/06/09 12:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Does the light from the stars keep going infinitely out into the void or does it curve back around and eventually come back?




Photons don't experience time and distance. Time comes to a complete stop at lightspeed, and distances shrink to zero.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114662 - 04/06/09 12:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Does the light from the stars keep going infinitely out into the void or does it curve back around and eventually come back?




It comes back. The universe has a finite size but no boundaries, so the topology loops. So if you go in a straight line for long enough you eventually come back where you started from. But light is so dilated by the expansion of the universe that it's just background noise if/when it comes back.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10114674 - 04/06/09 01:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it keeps going because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light.




yea i think u hit the nail on the head


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: Cubie]
    #10114675 - 04/06/09 01:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
I'm pretty sure it keeps going because the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light.




yea i think u hit the nail on the head



Is it expanding, or are photons decaying? :evil:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: zouden]
    #10114748 - 04/06/09 01:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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So if you go in a straight line for long enough you eventually come back where you started from.




I am suddenly feeling closed in. *gasps for air* I need more room! :hissyfit:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10114793 - 04/06/09 01:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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So if you go in a straight line for long enough you eventually come back where you started from.




I am suddenly feeling closed in. *gasps for air* I need more room! :hissyfit:



lol....


on a serious note though.
has anyone looked into the m theory?
sure there may be this looping effect as talked about earlier, but what about at other frequencies? black holes etc? is it not possible that when light breaks down and becomes this radiation as talked about earlier it actually enters another plane of vibrational existence?:awesome:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: NlightNd1]
    #10114876 - 04/06/09 02:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The universe may actually be expanding from countless points rather than just one. The "known" universe as they call it, is all expanding from one point but that doesn't mean that it's the only center of expansion.

There is no "center" to the expansion. Everything in the universe is expanding away from everything else. In effect, almost every point in the universe could be considered "the center"...if you were to look out from any point, the father away any given object is will be increasing by a factor of its distance from you.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #10114885 - 04/06/09 02:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

First you would have to be able to get to the "Edge" of the universe, whatever that may be, and then you would have to be able to travel fast enough to get out of it, assuming that the universe is not curved and then....

You could not get to an "edge" of the universe. Think of a soap bubble...specifically the 2D "world" set out by the bubble's surface. Does this 2D world have an "edge"? To any 2D creature living on its surface, there is no such thing as an edge to the universe. To be able to move off of its 2D universe, the creature must be able to move in the third dimension...something that it is unable to do (being only a 2D creature).


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: virus1824]
    #10114890 - 04/06/09 02:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Does the light from the stars keep going infinitely out into the void


as far as i know photon decays into the radio spectrum (comsmic background radiation)




Photons are part of the radio spectrum...and they don't decay. Ever. A photon doesn't have any time to decay, because it does not experience time. A photon couldn't decay in the first place, being a charge carrier and not made of anything else.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: trendal]
    #10114940 - 04/06/09 03:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

But it can be red-shifted into the radio spectrum.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: zouden]
    #10114965 - 04/06/09 03:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A red-shift isn't a decay :shrug:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: trendal]
    #10114973 - 04/06/09 03:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I know. virus1824 just used the wrong word, that's all.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: trendal]
    #10116142 - 04/06/09 08:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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trendal said:
A red-shift isn't a decay :shrug:



thats where i was going... but i lost my train of thought


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: Cubie]
    #10116212 - 04/06/09 08:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't believe in truth decay. :nono:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: Silversoul]
    #10116237 - 04/06/09 08:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
What is the philosophical and/or spiritual significance of this question?




Im curious about the answer to this question.


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: DieCommie]
    #10116268 - 04/06/09 08:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You are just jealous that you can't fly a meaningless, off-topic thread under the radar. Perhaps with years of study and disicipline...


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10116324 - 04/06/09 08:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Aww man, discussing photons is meaningless?  You just insulted me with with that.  :snub:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10117580 - 04/07/09 12:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

OC you've done quite well with this thread :lol:


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Re: Photon Entropy? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10118255 - 04/07/09 02:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't believe in truth decay. :nono:




Ah, but what of tooth decay?


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