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curious about alternative poppy harvest technique
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i have searched for this and found no definitive answers. i know that smoked opium is made from boiling and filtering the raw opium collected from lancing the pods. since it is water soluble it can escape the filter leaving behind plant material, and then reduced back to a thicker, more potent gum.
my question is basically how beneficial is lancing? i know that the alkaloid content decreases with every lancing, but how much more product can you get by lancing a few times than by cutting the plants down, mashing, boiling, and straining? furthermore, if this was done with enough poppies to get a decent amount, even if it takes many more poppies, wouldn't the end product be more potent? if each successive lancing produces less potent juice, it seems that using a larger amount of poppies picked whole would produce a larger amount of alkaloids in the end product.
i have never even seen an opium poppy, let alone lanced one for it's delicious magic juice, but am quite curious about this.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: rev 766]
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I didn´t really understand what you want with this post.
Maybe you want rather to harvest the dried (non lanced) heads for tea/putty, because lancing them is illegal, crafting is not.


FH

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: felixhigh]
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no, fresh, not dried, boiled to extract and then reduce a smokable product. because after you lance and collect gum it is boiled and strained in the same manner that i am proposing for the whole FRESH pods before smoking.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: rev 766]
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You can lance them and then have some weak but still very clean fresh dried pods to make tea with. Depending on the location of your garden lancing isn't that big of a deal. If smoking opium isn't that important to you, you will have stronger tea from unlanced pods for sure. You need a ton of poppies to get any appreciable amount of smokable material though. It is very labor intensive for a small return. If the experience of smoking actual opium is enough motivation its worth it.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: mr_minds_eye]
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i want to know if using unlanced pods to boil down a smokable product is a good idea. i know you could make tea from it. my point is that once you lance the pods, the material you get out is boiled, filtered, then reduced back to a tar before it's smoked to get out any vegetable matter. so i'm asking how good smokable tar would be going directly from unlanced vegetable matter? not really how good it would be, it would be good, but if there would be a significant drop in amount.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: rev 766]
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using pods, whether lanced or unlanced, to extract and boil down to a tar like product is called pod putty, there are recipes here if you search for them. The recipes say it is not good to smoke, probably because of all the plant fats and oils in the end product.

if its opium for smoking you are after just lance the pods and collect the opium once it dries, that is called raw opium. i always smoke it at this stage, it works fine and tastes good.

you can dissolve this in warm water, filter it and dry it out again to get cooked opium but its not really necessary, the raw opium works grand

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Spiderbaby]
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I say do two lancings and make laudanum with the pods afterward. I had the worst time sorting out the OP :lol:

EG


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: ethnoguy]
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Laudanum? Lol, what a rare suggestion!


FH

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: felixhigh]
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Yeah! Why not? It makes sense to me. Tinctures = long term storage. Thats a plus in my book.

EG


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: ethnoguy]
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Yup, but it gotta be strong. Like 1 dose = few drops. Dangerous thing. Still delicious if wisely used.


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Edited by felixhigh (03/17/09 03:44 PM)

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: felixhigh]
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It is dangerous. With every bottle I have made, I slowly test it out with a friend. Every time, no matter if you use the same recipe every time, can fluctuate in potency to a degree.

EG


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: ethnoguy]
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Can you post/PM me the recipe you use?
I'm not a big fan of smoking and a tincture sounds grand.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Prof. Astro]
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I'm not sure I can post it, seeing how dangerous it is. The recipe is online, so I'll find it and PM ya :wink:.

EG


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: ethnoguy]
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I say dry and grind,  store all that powder until you have enough for a worthwhile extract.

then steep in hot water, cool in the fridge down to as near as freezing as possible.  then filter out solids and press. 

the fats and sugars mainly stay in the mush as they aren't very cold-water soluble.

then fine-filter it.

the remaining water should reduce to a hard plastic tar-like substance.

while still considered putty, I find the temperature change makes a huge difference.  you can hot-knife it well.  If you filter it fine enough, the end result it a reddish crystalline residue.

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Mitchnast]
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I'm very simplistic, I find just eating the fresh pods to be fine.
Food + Bonus as I like to say.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Prof. Astro]
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but they aren't "edible"
just because you can chew something up and swallow, doesn't mean it.s useful to you.

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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Mitchnast]
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sure, there is no nutritional value to it; but it taste better than the tea to me. Or you could just bleed them, I find the whole refining thing to be a bit excessive unless you are selling, or have a high quality personal taste.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Prof. Astro]
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3 words...tea in ass.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Mitchnast]
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Hey, I'm not Scruffy.
Plus enema...ehh-no-mah.


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Re: curious about alternative poppy harvest technique [Re: Prof. Astro]
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suit yourself, put that shit in your mouth.
mmmmmm shitty.
ooh baby, sweet shit in my mouth!
oh I love wretching at every swallow!
and to think, half of this will get destroyed by my stomach acids.
could it get any better!

ass hang ups = silly

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