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Poppy Harvest Time!!!
    #2955798 - 08/02/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

[NOTE:  READ THE WHOLE THREAD.  THESE ARE NOT OPIUM POPPIES]

It's finally poppy harvesting time here and in backyards everywhere pods are bursting with their bitter sap.

Last week I started my harvest.  These poppies were cut from a 1.5m square area:



Slicing wasn't possible in this case so I chose what I thought was the next best option and just cut the pods off a few tens of centimeters down the stem to be taken home and sliced ASAP.  I have done this a few times with fairly poor yield when compared with on-plant slicing.  This time I tried a different technique.  Instead of slicing the pods in the traditional manner used with on-plant harvests as I usually do, I just cut off the bottom of the pod near the stem.  This effectively slices all of the vertical veins running through the pod and results in a massive, instantaneous outflow of sap:



The freshly cut head was held over a Pyrex dish allowing the first drops to be collected separately from the slower moving (and, as we will see, more potent) flow.  The drops can be seen in the right of the previous picture.  The glass plate made for easy removal of the dry product.  In the picture you can also see that a not unsubstantial amount of opium is coming out of the parts that were cut off.  Incidentally, the pic was taken after the opium had started to dry, as can be seen from the pinkish tint.

Here is another picture of the sap at a later stage of drying:



After the sap dried it was easily scraped off the bottom of the pods with a knife and from the plate with a scalpel blade:



There you can see the difference between the lighter first drippings and the black sap that oozed out much more slowly. 

Here is all of the black fraction on a knife:



And some of the lighter stuff up close:



And a pretty shitty pic of the finished products:



I might start harvesting all of my poppies this way since the combined yield was over a gram from around 20 pods.  I've never had this much success with either on-plant slicing or off-plant vertical cuts.  And it's the only way I know of to immediately obtain two grades.  If anyone is wondering why you'd want to do this, consider:  the lighter stuff, although still strong and quite smokeable, is around two times less potent than the black stuff (determined through qualitative analysis. : )  Since both were produced in about equal quantities, this means that if they were combined, as they would be in a usual harvest, the product would be 25% less potent than the black fraction I obtained.  Therefore "the black" should be about 33% more potent relative to normally harvested opium from these plants. 

I'll just say this is the strongest opium I've ever smoked... 

And it tastes like fudge. :smile:


Edited by ChuangTzu (08/03/04 12:07 PM)


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2955817 - 08/02/04 12:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

im pretty sure you get more latex if you leave the plant in the ground and just slice the surface of the pods.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Eightball]
    #2955859 - 08/02/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Like I said, I've never gotten this much from this many pods. Anyway, for those who can't slice the living plants, this is a much better way than vertical slicing. In one of those pics are a few heads which were sliced normally but they leaked so little sap that you can't even see it there...


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2956040 - 08/02/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

too bad those aren't opium poppies :smile:
oh well, at least you had fun picking them

i had some tea from real ones last night, im still itching like a feind.

this is what you have


this is what you want


Edited by Mitchnast (08/02/04 01:48 PM)


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Eightball]
    #2956046 - 08/02/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

[edit: did not even look at the poppies closely.]


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: canid]
    #2956688 - 08/02/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

...poor guy


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2957216 - 08/02/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that sucks, sorry man :frown:


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: gdman]
    #2958016 - 08/02/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

trial and error can be an effective way to learn... or to die. :wink:
i think he's alive.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: felixhigh]
    #2958112 - 08/02/04 11:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

so what is that latex if those arent opium poppies, just an inactive byproduct of the plant?

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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: supra]
    #2958166 - 08/02/04 11:48 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

there may possibly be some other isoquinolines in it..not sure, what species of poppy were these decided to be?


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Hooty]
    #2958209 - 08/03/04 12:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its high in Thebaine. Thebaine itself is not a desired alkaloid but it can be converted to oxycodone with a bit of chemistry knowledge. Many opiate alkaloids like berberine and protopine are considered toxic (morphine and codien are too, but the others can have some prior bad affects). Proceed with caution.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2958263 - 08/03/04 12:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah man, too bad those wernt some p. somnis.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2958763 - 08/03/04 03:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

[edit: i was waking up...]

You're right. That is what I have. I didn't notice the difference. What specie are they?

Whatever specie it is, there are definitely desirable opiates in it. I've also harvested this kind many times before so I know it's not poisonous (right, the first time I didn't have a clue but that has long passed. I'm lucky to be alive and all that.... : ) I've made tea from dried (but newly picked) white somniforum pods that was nowhere near as good as the tea made from half as many of this kind fresh, after they had been scratched. I just harvested another batch last night along with an unidentified specie that doesn't produce much sap, which I won't smoke. I'll have the pics and some notes later.

Does anyone have some info on the supposed toxic alkaloids that are/should be present and the effects of their consumption? I felt nothing other than a usual opiate high; not even nausea. I won't smoke any more until I find out more about these, but barring anything but hearsay and speculation based on specie discrimination, I'd say that these are a viable alternative to somniforum.


Edited by ChuangTzu (08/03/04 08:00 AM)


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2958882 - 08/03/04 03:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Those are Oriental poppies, Papaver orientale.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2959165 - 08/03/04 08:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have confirmed what Gumby and Mitchnast said -- I indeed have Papaver orientale :frown:

At first glance I thought they were Papaver rhoeas which are sometimes classified as variants of somniforum and contain a similar mix of alkaloids...

orientale seems to be the least desirable alkaloid-containing poppy -- it contains no morphine and the dominant alkaloid is oripavine:

Biodiversity in the alkaloids of Turkish Papaver species

Oripavine supposedly has the same analgesic potency as morphine which explains why the opium feels just as strong or stronger.  As for the toxic side-effects:

Analytical study and analgesic activity of oripavine from Papaver somniferum L.

and

  Oripavine material safety data sheet (MSDS)

shed a bit of light on its properties.  The MSDS can be considered to be a worse-case statement of its effects, although the abstract says pretty much the same thing about large doses.  Other sources indicate neurotoxicity at high doses.  If these effects were acute (not cumulative) and were only a possible side-effect of taking too much, I would probably continue to consume this stuff.  However, there is too little information available on this substance so I may try out some chemistry on it instead.

Sorry for the false alarm.  I'm planting some white somnifera so maybe I'll have something to show next year.  I still recommend that cutting technique for anyone who can't cut on-plant -- it just produces so much more smokeable product than slicing vertically and you can still make tea from the used pods.  The separation into two grades is useful too, although I realized that the possibility of a first drip depends on the amount of water the plant received before harvesting.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #2959209 - 08/03/04 09:02 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

props for your proper research.

i looked aswell [briefly] and couldn't find any comprehensive pharmacology information on oripravine.

while i know that Papaver orientale has been widely experimented with and am unaware of any cases of cumulative toxxicity beyond the scope of that from other Papaver alkaloids i would stay away from it in light of the ease of aquisition of P. somniferum and the fact that despite it's status, it is still widely cultivated as a decorative flower in much of the world [somewhat including the U.S.].


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: canid]
    #2959233 - 08/03/04 09:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Whatever specie it is, there are definitely desirable opiates in it"

you are lying to yourself myfriend. Science tells us otherwise. If there were any "desired opiates" they would be only in trace amounts while very undesirable and toxic alkaloids would exist in larger amounts. Keep it up and you could end up seriously hurting yourself.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2959236 - 08/03/04 09:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

for the record, ChuangTsu said that, not me...


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: canid]
    #2959305 - 08/03/04 09:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

haha, sorry concrete, quoted wrong person.

I worry sometimes. I worry that people will get some bad information or the wrong impression by reading this forum , go out and consume something that may be dangerous or deadly. These plants are amazing and powerfull teachers but when used inappropriately (or Misidentified, wrong dosage, ill intentions, etc) they can prove to be dangerous.If your going to harvest a plant to consume, at least make sure you got the right plant.


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Re: Poppy Harvest Time!!! [Re: Aneglakya]
    #2959321 - 08/03/04 10:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

good call.


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