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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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The Facts:

On 12/21/2012 @ 11:11AM GMT the Sun crosses the winter solstice point precisely at sunrise as viewed from South America. This is what the Mayans were marking.
The Sun never aligns with the center of the galaxy, it always passes above it, but it does align with the Galactic Equator because our Sol system moves up and down like a Ferris wheel in respect to the galactic plane.

Our astronomers say the Winter Solstice point crossed the galactic equator in 1999 but they admit that there is a large margin of error and it's possible that the Mayans were right that Sunrise aligns with Winter Solstice and the true Galactic Equator on 12/21/2012.

The Sun becomes active every 11 years, it is quieter than it has ever been at this point in it's cycle and scientists are predicting some of the largest solar flares ever. The next Solar Maxima happens to be in 2012.

There is only one ancient reference to something occurring in 2012, it is on a stone in Mesoamerica, Tortuguero Monument 6.

The Egyptians, Hopi, Hindus, Christians and Muslims say NOTHING about 2012.

The I Ching says nothing about 2012. McKenna superimposed the I Ching over the Mayan calendar and called it 'Time Wave Zero' theory.

The Mayan calendar does not end in 2012 it is only the beginning of a new cycle but they do say something 'big' will happen.

From David Stuart's recent decipherment of Tortuguero Monument 6 for the UT Mesoamerican Google group:

    As promised here's a quick translation of the final passage* of
    Tortuguero Monument 6, recording the 2012 Bak'tun ending:

    Tzuhtz-(a)j-oom u(y)-uxlajuun pik
    (ta) Chan Ajaw ux(-te') Uniiw.
    Uht-oom ?
    Y-em(al)?? Bolon Yookte' K'uh ta ?.

    "The Thirteenth 'Bak'tun" will be finished
    (on) Four Ajaw, the Third of Uniiw (K'ank'in). (2012)
    ? will occur. (indecipherable)
    (It will be) the descent(??) of the Nine Support? God(s) to the ?."

    This is it. The term following uht-oom is the main puzzle, and largely
    effaced. The "descent" reference is highly tentative, too. The
    enigmatic deity Bolon Yookte' K'uh has been known for some time
    from many sources, and I suspect that he (or they) has some tangential
    relationship to the Principal Bird Deity, as well as war associations.
    Interestingly, he is a protagonist in the deep time mythology of
    Palenque, as recorded on Palenque's Temple XIV tablet. A
    long-lasting character who's still around somewhere waiting, I suppose.



One thing about Bolon Yokte's presence in the 2012 text should be emphasized. Apart from symbolizing war, conflict, and the underworld, Bolon Yokte is a god that is often present during Creation events, often referring to the Creation event of 13.0.0.0.0 in 3114 BC, and most notably on the Vase of the Seven Lords. So, what does it mean that a Creation Lord is present on the next 13.0.0.0.0, the one that falls in 2012 AD? Although some scholars have commented that the incomplete text on Tortuguero Monument 6 doesn't tell us much, they have overlooked the obvious: Bolon Yokte's mere presence suggests that 2012 was thought of as a Creation, a worldrenewal that, after all, makes perfect sense in the context of a World Age doctrine that sequences forward in intervals of 13 baktuns. This may seem to go without saying, but in fact my work has been criticized for characterizing 2012 as a "cosmogenesis." Here the scholars are one step closer to understanding 2012 for what the Maya knew it to a be: a rebirth and the beginning of a new World Age.

So, specific prophecy with content for future events are rare in hieroglyphic texts. This may explain why there is a dearth of hieroglyphic texts on 2012—one of the main complaints about my theory. For whatever reason, our expectation that there should be such texts is thus pegged as an erroneous assumption; such a dearth is the norm. This may reveal a Mayan conceptualization of past and future as non-local realities that collapse always in the present moment. We see this in the shifting tense usages when Maya folktales are told. It was, it will be, it is—these temporal locations are interchangeable in mythic time, the space of "everything manifests in the now." - J.M. Jenkins

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Re: 2012 [Re: deCypher]
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Kickle said:
Admittedly, I haven't researched this topic too much, however, for some reason while I was laying in bed a thought occurred to me.

Technology is speeding forward. Extremely quickly.
What if 2012 is the point at which 'the matrix' is created.
To dive deeper...
If we're currently in a matrix, at that point our current sense of where/what we are will shift. Or perhaps simply a reset.

All the prophecies are nothing more than programming reminders that hey, 2012 is the point at which the script runs out.




IMO 2012 will likely see the fulfillment of the dark age we are now cycling into. Nothing to get worried about as we are all going to die anyway.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: 2012 [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Nothing to get worried about as we are all going to die anyway.



But that's exactly the problem. Consciently the world will die, not only you.

You as a living being has a limited time of life, let's say 70 years.
The humans as a whole have also a time. How long depends on earth time as well. We are living out of time, we got to return to live more consciently, tuned in nature and preservation of life. Care, love, peace, respect!

Not caring because you're going to die anyway is supporting destruction of life!
Please, think about it! Join the right team!
:peace:

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Re: 2012 [Re: giPSY]
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Join the right team? :lol: You sound like a Republican or a Fundamentalist Christian.

Any way it's too late to save all this. It's just going to get worse unless most of you breeders quit having children and that ain't going to happen as most people think their love children are going to save the planet. But this is something you will have to realize when you grow older. If you get to.:satansmoking:

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Re: 2012 [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Join the right team? :lol: You sound like a Republican or a Fundamentalist Christian.

Any way it's too late to save all this. It's just going to get worse unless most of you breeders quit having children and that ain't going to happen as most people think their love children are going to save the planet. But this is something you will have to realize when you grow older. If you get to.:satansmoking:



I agree with this.. I think it should have been practiced years ago instead of.. Whoops its too late. Besides the everything fortuned and scientific. Heres some common sense. We're eating up resources faster than what they produce. Which is basically the theory that I quoted. The worlds population is too large. The earth cant handle it.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Shr00mZ]
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The transformation is not outside, but inside you.

Not picking a side, or at least not even thinking about it, is also a team.

It all could change asap, if we change inside.

:peace:

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Re: 2012 [Re: giPSY]
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im on the dao/ahura mazda's team

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Re: 2012 [Re: giPSY]
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giPSY said:
The transformation is not outside, but inside you.

Not picking a side, or at least not even thinking about it, is also a team.

It all could change asap, if we change inside.

:peace:



There are as many 'sides' as there are interpretations.
Infinite.


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: 2012 [Re: Kickle]
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Terence Mckenna on 2012.

Here is a theory derived from Terence McKenna called Timewave Zero.









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See, in the west we have inherited from Newton what is called the idea of pure duration, which is simply that time is sort of a place where things are placed so that they don't all happen at once; in other words, it's used as quality-less, it's an abstraction. In fact, I think when we carry out a complete analysis of time, I think what we're going to discover is that like matter, time is composed of elemental, discrete types. All matter, organic and inorganic matter, is composed of 104, 108 elements ... there's some argument. Time, on the other hand, is thought to be this featureless, qualityless medium, but as we experience it, as living feeling creatures, time has qualities. There are times when everything seems to go right, and times when everything seems to go wrong.

Well, so in looking at this, I created a vocabulary ... actually I borrowed it from Alfred North Whitehead ... but I think I'm on to something which science has missed, and it's this; it's that the universe, or human life or an empire or an ecosystem, any large scale or small scale process, can be looked at as a dynamic struggle between two qualities which I call habit and novelty. And I think they're pretty self-explanatory. Habit is simply repetition of established patterns, conservation, holding back what has already been achieved into a system, and novelty is the chance-taking, the exploratory, the new, the never-before-seen. And these two qualities — habit and novelty — are locked in all situations in a kind of struggle. But the good news is that if you look at large scales of time, novelty is winning, and this is the point that I have been so concerned to make that I think science has overlooked. If you look back through the history of the human race, or life on this planet, or of the solar system and the galaxy, as you go backward in time, things become more simple, more basic. So turning that on its head, we can say that as you come towards the present things become more novel, more complex. So I've taken this as a universal law, affecting historical processes, biological processes and astrophysical processes.

Nature produces and conserves novelty, and what I mean by that, as the universe cools the original cloud of electron plasma, eventually atomic systems form, as it further cools molecular systems, then long-chain polymers, then non-nucleated primitive DNA-containing life, later complex life, multi-cellular life, and this is a principle that reaches right up to our dear selves. And notice, it's working across all scales of being. This is something that is as true of human societies as it is of termite populations or populations of atoms in a chemical system. Nature conserves, prefers novelty. And the interesting thing about an idea like this is that it stands the existentialism of modern philosophy on its head ... you know, what modern, atheistic existentialism says is that we're a cosmic accident and damn lucky to be here, and any meaning you get out of the situation, you're simply conferring. I say, no ... by looking deeply into the structure of nature, we can discover that novelty is what nature produces and conserves, and if that represents a universal value system, then the human world that we find today with our technologies and our complex societies represents the greatest novelty so far achieved, and suddenly you have a basis for an ethic — that which advances novelty is good, that which retards it is to be looked at very carefully.

It's an exponentially accelerating process which leads to a kind of end-of-the-world scenario which has led a lot of people to place me out with the squirrels because I'm saying that this process of novelty is now moving so quickly that within our own lifetimes it is going to accelerate essentially to such an intensity that we will be experiencing more novelty in a few weeks or days than we've previously experienced in the whole life of the cosmos.

what makes me, I hope, a little different from some of the other prophets in the marketplace is, I've got a formal mathematical theory that ... you know, I mentioned habit and novelty, this dualistic flow ... well, because it is a dualistic flow, it can be portrayed like the ebb and flow of the price of a stock, or something like that, in other words, it can be portrayed as a line graph. So I've written computer programs which produce what I call novelty waves ... in other words, a time-scale wave that pictures the ebb and flow of novelty. And by fitting known historical and paleontological and geological data into these waves at different scales, I was finally able to discern a best fit. But the conclusion that it led to was very startling to me, which is: this ultimate novelty, this transcendental object at the end of time, isn't millennia in the future, it is in fact slated to collide with historical necessity some time in late 2012.

Now, I know you have some interest in the Mayan calendar ... I didn't know when I calculated this date that it was the same end date as the Mayan calendar ... to the day ...

I had a very academic interest in the I Ching, which is the Chinese method of divination, and everyone who's looked at this thing has been struck by the fact that it seems to work ... and so I carried out a mathematical analysis...

The I Ching has existed for thousands of years in China ... it's sometimes done by throwing fifty stalks, or sometimes done with coins, but it's a method of producing a thing called a hexagram which is made up of either broken or unbroken lines — six on top of each other — so if you're a mathematician you can figure, if it's made up of broken and unbroken lines and there are six of them on top of each other there must be a possibility of 64 of these things ... And thousands of years ago in China there was a vast body of literary commentary built up around these hexagrams, and they have always been presented in a traditional order, a certain way that they are always presented. And I was studying a very academic question, which was, is this order of these hexagrams a true order, in other words, governed by rules, or is it simply a random jumble sanctioned by tradition?

And this very obscure academic question led ultimately to the discovery that the I Ching was a 384-day, thirteen lunar cycle calendar. And then from there I realized that this 384-day calendar was actually a (something) subset in a fractal time-keeping scheme that is really more accurate and more sophisticated than anything in the west. So what I'm really suggesting here is that in the same way that the west conquered the nature of matter through the elaboration of modern science, about 4000 years ago in China a deeper analysis of time was carried out than has ever been undertaken in the west, and that the mathematics of this thing became buried then in this fortune-telling system. And I basically teased it out, and in my book The Invisible Landscape, and at my web site, all this stuff is explained. http://www.levity.com

The interesting thing is that with a wave like that, you can do what's called retrodicting. In other words, if you have a wave of novelty that describes the past, you have to correctly predict the Italian renaissance, the Greek enlightenment, the modernity of the 20th century, so by predicting the past, we've gained confidence that this wave predicts the future, but the theory is in a sense very conservative. It never says what will happen, it says when interesting things are highly likely, and when you're just wasting your time.

There is only one point in the entire cycle where the level of habit drops to zero; effectively then novelty becomes infinite. And at that point occurs on this solstice date in 2012. Now it's very interesting ... there are some people on the net called singularists, and they're hard-headed engineering types, and they take rates of energy release and rates of data storage, this sort of thing, and draw all their curves out, and they can see that some time between 2008 and 2020 everything will produce infinite amounts of energy ... we pack infinite amounts of data into infinitely small spaces, in other words, the same sort of things where, because of the acceleration built into the unfolding of this novelty process, we're gonna cross more territory between here and 2012 than we have crossed between the Big Bang and getting to here.

It kind of explains what is happening, that it isn't the old-style religion, that it isn't the sterile steady-state of science, it's that the universe is actually evolving some kind of process of self-metamorphosis, and human beings indicate that we have crossed some boundary into some new era, a new epoch of ever greater acceleration into this process of self-revelation. This is what religions are raving about, this is what every prophet on the street corner is trying to articulate, and I think it's real. I think we're getting a lot of static because people can only deal with it through images that they know ... you know, Marshall McLuhan said we drive into the future using only our rear view mirror, and that's sort of what it is. But I call this thing the transcendental object at the end of time, and I think in a sense, religion, Christian revelation, it will all be fulfilled in a way none of us ever suspected, because nature has this appetite for novelty and acceleration into novelty.



- Terence McKenna



Great stuff.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
t has to do with the mayans, because they couldn't complete their calender after the year 2012


this is what i was talking about. and how can something be nearly scientifically impossible. this has nothing to do with science.



Well here, but I really don't want to have to spoon feed you all the science to the whole pole shifting phenomenon myself. Research things that you don't have any understanding of yourself. You will truly retain it better.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm


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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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there still isnt any definitive proof of a magnetic reversal occurring in 2012. Its all speculation. There is some evidence that would suggest that a magnetic reversal is very likely to occurr in our future, but nothing even hints to the fact that it could possibly take place in a mere 3 years from now.

Check this out though.

A new study has found that we are actually physically evolving at an increasing rate.

For decades the conensus view - among the public as well as the world's preeminent biologists - has been that human evolution is over. Since modern Homo sapiens emerged 50,000 years ago, "natural selection has almost become irrelevant" to us, the influential Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould proclaimed. "There have been no biological changes. Everything we've called culture and civilization we've built with the same body and brain." This view has become so entrenched that it is practically doctrine.

So to suggest that humans have undergone an evolutionary makeover from Stone Age times to the present is nothing short of blasphemous. Yet a team of researchers have done just that. They find an abundance of recent adaptive mutations etched in the human genome; even more shocking, these mutations seem to be piling up faster and even faster, like an avalanche. Over the past 10,000 years, their data show, human evolution has occurred a hundred times more quickly than in any other period in our species' history.

The new adaptations, some 2,000 in total, are not limited to the well-recognized differences among ethnic groups in superficial traits such as skin and eye color. The mutations relate to the brain, immunity to pathogens, sperm production, and bones - in short, virtually every aspect of our functioning.

Why might evolution be picking up speed? What could be fueling the trend? "Well, there's a lot more people on the planet in recent times. In a population you dont have to wait so long for the rare mutation that boosts brain function or does something else desirable." Says John Hawks of the University of Wisconsin at Madison and Gregory Cochan, a physicist and adjust professor of anthropology at the University of Utah.

Ten thousand years ago, there were fewer than 10 million people on Earth. That figure soared to 200 million by the time of the Roman Empire. Since around 1500 the global population has been rising exponentially, with the total now surpassing 6.7 billion. Since mutations are the fodder on which natural selection acts, it stands to reason that evolution might happen more quickly as our numbers surge. Cochran notes, "Darwin himself emphasized the importance of maintaining a large herd for selecting favorable traits."

Perhaps the most incendiary aspect of the fast-evolution research is the evidence that the brain may be evolving just as quickly as the rest of the body. Some genes that appear to have been recently selected influence the function and development of the brain. Other fast-changing genes - roughly 100 - are associated with neurotransmitters, including serotonin, glutamate (involved in general arousal), and dopamine. According to estimates, fully 40 percent of these neurotransmitter genes have been selected in the past 50,000 years, with the majority emerging in just the past 10,000 years.

- discover magazine

Even this isnt 100% proven to be true even though I would assume it to be likely, but either way its pretty incredible dont you think? This is suggesting that human evolution is occurring at an exponential rate right now! HOLY CRAP!


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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Just watched that Terence McKenna video...

In my opinion a lot of it sounds like bullshit and there's no scientific basis whatsoever with the data that he was showing.

Why was he just mainly picking issues from American history (mainly from ww2 onwards) then picking and choosing bits from international history to prove his point?

It's the same thing with David Wilcock, I've noticed most of the things he reports about lately are only to do with North American current events but seems to keep a blind eye about current events on an international level....

If all these changes that will occur in 2012 are going to affect all of humanity, then I say take a look at all data from around the world to prove your point.

Don't get me wrong though, I like both Terance adn David Wilcock's message. They're pacifists and like to spread the word of love and respect and I'm down with that. I just don't like how the two of them twist scientific data though and rely too much on numerology.

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Re: 2012 [Re: boO]
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ok mckenna got this "data"  from the i-ching. hey guess what the mayans based their calender on the same concept. so since two cultures came to the same conclusion independently, does that not give it more credibility?

you need to read mind, hallucinogens, and the i-ching by mckenna. this is where he explains how he came up with the theory (more like rediscovered).

but if you already "know" then have fun with that, try and not hurt people/planet  :smile:

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Re: 2012 [Re: boO]
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I hate when doomsayers start talking about shit like this. I mean... the apocalypse was supposed to happen about 3 or 4 times in my life, and my parents say its been going on since they were kids.

Just because the stars allign does not mean we will all be doomed.

shit

next thing you know some kid is going to roll snakeyes 3 times and conclude that the apocalypse is happening in 2030 because how unlikely is 3 snakeyes in a row?

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Re: 2012 [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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Our psychic universe is expanding even more rapidly than the physical universe. Let us define the measurement of known scientific facts in the year 1 A.D. as "one jesus," using the name of the celebrated philosopher born that year.

Before going any further, let us ask how long it took to arrive at one jesus. One way of estimating is to take the estimated age of homo sapiens, in which case it took 40,000 to 100,000 years.

How long did it take to double this accumulation of knowledge, to achieve two jesuses? It required 1500 years - until 1500 A.D. How long did it take to double again and obtain four jesuses? It required 250 years, and we had four jesuses in our larder by 1750.

The next doubling took 150 years, and by 1900 A.D. humanity had eight jesuses in our information account. The next doubling took 50 years, and by 1950 we had 16 jesuses. The next, ten years, and by 1960 we had 32 jesuses. The next doubling took seven years, and by 1967 we had 64 jesuses. And the next doubling took 6 years; by 1973 we have 128 jesuses.

There is no reason to imagine that the acceleration has stopped. Thus, we almost certainly reached 256 j around 1978-79 and 512 j in 1982.

In short, we are living in a mental transformation space; that is, an omnidimensional halo expanding toward infinity in all directions. And the electronic center of this halo of mentation is possibly everywhere. It is all available to you right where you are sitting now. Just plug in a terminal. The machine doesn't care who or what you are.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Bridgeburner]
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wtf is all this multiple jesus stuff

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Re: 2012 [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
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it's the "jumping jesus phenomenon"


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Re: 2012 [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I think its quite obvious that we are headed toward some vast change in our near future.

Theres even evidence that human evolution is growing exponentially. PHYSICAL evolution!!! Not cultural, but physical evolution.

Quote:
They find an abundance of recent adaptive mutations etched in the human genome; even more shocking, these mutations seem to be piling up faster and even faster, like an avalanche. Over the past 10,000 years, their data show, human evolution has occurred a hundred times more quickly than in any other period in our species' history.



This information didnt have anything to do with 2012 when it was written and when I read it, but it seemed to me that it had a lot to do with the underlining message of what 2012 is.

The fucking light bulb was invented only 150 years ago. We are like running full speed at a brick wall! Or so it would seem. The abyss aproaches ever nearer.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Hubbub]
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I'm all for your theory, however the people at NASA are more intelligent when it comes to this side of science then I am and I don't know about you. How can you say this bearing in mind this exact quote? As well of knowing that it has already occurred before?

"The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork."

Please tell me where I can disprove their scientist on this........

Hubbub said:
there still isnt any definitive proof of a magnetic reversal occurring in 2012. Its all speculation. There is some evidence that would suggest that a magnetic reversal is very likely to occurr in our future, but nothing even hints to the fact that it could possibly take place in a mere 3 years from now.



Edited by MushHunter08 (03/08/09 06:21 PM)

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Re: 2012 [Re: MushHunter08]
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I ment on Earth. That entire article is about the Sun.

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Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur



Thats the only thing it says about Earth and its magnetic field. Everything else is about the Sun. This is not proof.


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