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mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world.
    #11229586 - 10/11/09 11:16 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012
  By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer  – Sun Oct 11, 3:58 am ET

MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #11232517 - 10/12/09 01:20 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

What do the modern Mayan's know???
    not much
  They can't rebuild a Mayan pyramid and neither can anyone else on this whole planet.
  They were obviously built by alien technology.
  What if the Earth IS swallowed up by the center of the universe as predicted and spit out in another dimension???  Yep time would probably keep on ticking so the dates past 2012 could still be valid. And the Earth might not just "end"


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: cpw1971]
    #11233969 - 10/12/09 05:35 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

What is it about the mayan pyramids that makes you think no one could build them?


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11234374 - 10/12/09 06:57 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

I remember reading about it some years ago.  The Mayan pyramids are much more complex than the Egyptian ones the way the blocks were laid. And you couldn't fit a cunt hair between the blocks.  The precision is beyond what we can build today.
  I dunno how correct it is I guess though


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: cpw1971]
    #11234452 - 10/12/09 07:10 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

They're definitely impressive, but I haven't seen anything that's beyond our current capabilities. They're not even laid out all that precisely. A lot of the stones are different sized blocks that have been pieced together like patchwork.

If you ever vacation in mexico definitely check out chitzen itza. It's really cool, and not too far from Cancun.:alc:



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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11234538 - 10/12/09 07:20 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

the patchwork is what makes it so complex.  Especially with them joining together so closely.
    Someday I wanna go see them :cool:


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: cpw1971]
    #11235362 - 10/12/09 09:45 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

I look forward to see what will happen. I hope it's not a jip like y2k.


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: Goat Boy]
    #11236673 - 10/13/09 12:38 AM (8 years, 12 days ago)

I go through cycles of believing in big changes in 2012 and then believing the whole thing is crap.. the cycles are in tune with other changes that happen in my life.

When I start educating myself on certain subjects, I think

2012 - my associations: telepathy, world war 3, global economic collapse, spiritual evolution, uniting people together through similarities instead of seperating with differences, new energy technologies, mainstream propoganda, preperation for future scenarios in movies and media

these are just some of the things that come to mind


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11247002 - 10/14/09 05:56 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

I've never believed 2012 was going to be a giant catastrophe that would blow up the world myself.... but rather the beginning of a new way of thinking that could very well change the way we look at the world and reality in a radical way... but definetly not an overnight change

maybe a new technology we can't quite fathom yet?

or perhaps it's when we finally reach the 'critical mass inertia point' they talk about in zeitgeist addenum.... when enough people start realizing we are flushing our world down the shitter, and wake the fuck up... causing high speed global change for the better of humanity

or.. maybe the governments hit a point of oppression and corruption we have never seen before.. mass slavery (even worse then we are experiencing right now)

maybe someone finally nukes the states?

all this gobbledegook about meteors and polar shifts or even dimensional shifts seems a little far fetched to me.

I think it MAY be the BEGINNING of something that will take years to unfold... like I said, I really doubt when dec 2012 hits the world is going to be instantly transformed in either a cataclysmic way, or miraculous way over night.

I could also be talking right out of my ass

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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #11247374 - 10/14/09 06:55 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

mayan elders what do they know lol


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #11247413 - 10/14/09 07:02 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

The calander on my wall ends December 09. Then i gotta go buy a new one.

I cannot remember that one guys name he predicted in 2012 it will pretty much be WW3.

It was the one guy who predicted alot of shit that has happened I believe his name starts with an "H".

Once one of you say his name I could link the article I read on his prediction. I remember it said something about California will be invaded first.


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: no speaky eng]
    #11247476 - 10/14/09 07:16 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Cannot find the atricle I read where he said something about china invading cali.

Heres an interesting vid that shows his predictions of 9/11 and goes onto 2012 and obama. He did have a prediction that said something alon the lines of "A man with a turban will end the new world".




He predicted the first Anti Christ to be Napoleon, and then the Second was Hitler.

Some people think Obama is the third that he is predicting. Since Nostrodomus called him Mabush, people think its either OsaMaBush or ObaMaBush.
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The 3rd and final Anti-Christ
According to Nostradamus, the first two anti-Christs were extremely evil, and history has shown this to be so; however, Nostradamus speaks of a third anti-Christ who is more hideous than all the others combined.  Some have said Sadaam Hussein, the dictator from Iraq (proved false now), or even Osama Bin Laden. Could he be this evil tyrant?  Others say that he has not yet appeared.  What does Nostradamus say about this third anti-Christ?  First, Nostradamus tells us he will come from the Middle East.

nostradamus 3rd final antichrist

Out of the country of Greater Arabia Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed,
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror.

Here, Nostradamus says that a man from Greater Arabia will lead his forces on an invasion through Europe.  This invasion will start a third world war that will be far worse than all the other wars put together.  When will all this take place? In one quatrain Nostradamus gives us an exact date in which the war will be well under way.
In the year 1999 and seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
He will bring back to life the King of the Mongols;
Before and after war reigns.

Nostradamus predicts  the war will begin shortly before the year 1999. It doesn't make much sense to this author, but many are now saying that the 'war' was set 'in motion' in 1999, and now after Septermeber 11th these things are going to come true... as we are now 'at war with terror.' Interpret it how you will.  He also tells us how long the war will last.

The war will last seven and twenty years. (so 27 years) 

Nostradamus says that the war will be so terrible that the world will come face to face with final annihilation.  Here, he implies that the war might involve some kind of horrible weapon, possibly nuclear.  Nostradamus tells what the first target will be.

The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city.

In this phrase, Nostradamus refers to a great city in the new world of America near forty-five degrees latitude.  Experts agree this could only be New York.  I know many of you are thinking of other websites that claim this means he predicted September 11th. Again, interpret it how you will. The sky did burn at 45 degrees, but New York was not destroyed, nor was it a nuclear attack.

By fire he will destroy their city,
A cold and cruel heart,
Blood will pour,
Mercy to none.

Although Nostradamus 's predictions for our future sound frightening, the accuracy and dates he gave do not seem to flow. Are they being misinterpreted, or are they just plain wrong? Is the New City at 45 degrees yet to be destroyed? He does give us some hope by telling us how this third world war will end.  He says it will end as a result of an unexpected alliance.

When those of the Northern Pole are united,
In the East will be great fear and dread...
One day the two great leaders will be friends;
Their great powers will be seen to grow.
The New Land will be at the height of its power:
To the man of blood the number is reported.

Again, the new land was a common term used by Nostradamus to refer to what we now call America.  The countries of the northern pole could be Russia and the United States.  We have recently seen the breakdown of Communism in Russia and an increasing friendship between Russia and the U.S.  Perhaps the two countries will work together against the source of evil.




Interesting Nostodamus video talks about 2012 in it.


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: no speaky eng]
    #11247968 - 10/14/09 08:30 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

huge pile of bullshit :thumbup:


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #11248288 - 10/14/09 09:20 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

The best part about his bullshit is.

Some of his predictions aren't predictions anymore.

We have lived it and we are living them now.


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Re: mayan elders insist 2012 isnt the end of the world. [Re: no speaky eng]
    #11251050 - 10/15/09 06:37 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

evidence?


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