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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
Prisoner#1 said:
does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel


Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.

My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.

Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?


- Disarm both sides with a UN mandate and send in a huge peace keeping force comprised of Jamaican soldiers and hand out tonnes of weed. Then arbitraily convert everyone to Tarvuism and make the official language of the area Finnish. Then everyone will be truly equal, looking at Jewish and Palestian people on the news, they look very similar to me, except for things like Yamicas and Kefias (sp?). So force the petty differences out of them then make them intermarry.


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Pornography like office supplies should never be paid for.

People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
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Blink Dog said:
blewmeanie said:
Prisoner#1 said:
does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel


Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.

My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.

Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?


- Disarm both sides with a UN mandate and send in a huge peace keeping force comprised of Jamaican soldiers and hand out tonnes of weed. Then arbitraily convert everyone to Tarvuism and make the official language of the area Finnish. Then everyone will be truly equal, looking at Jewish and Palestian people on the news, they look very similar to me, except for things like Yamicas and Kefias (sp?). So force the petty differences out of them then make them intermarry.


Wish that would work :grin:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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I don't think there is a short term solution. The Palestinian hatred for Israel will last generations. Long term I think Israel has much more power to change the situation, because they are a lot more wealthy and a lot more powerful militarily. Its up to them to convince the people that they are a beneficial force in the region.

I think this should be done first with a formal apology, right or wrong does not come into this, its about acknowledging that a lot of pain has been caused and being the bigger man so to speak.

Also Israel must stop encroaching onto Palestinian land, further more they must give back a lot of the land they have taken. This should be accompanied by a large humanitarian aid effort to help the Palestinians rebuild. There will be parts within the Palestinian population who will continue to attack Israel, but the more Israel continues with these humanitarian actions the more of a minority these people will become.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
Prisoner#1 said:
does that give israel the right to blockade gaza and prevent
that trade? there is a coastline that the could make use of if
it wasnt for israel


Indeed it does, Israel has the right to protect itself as does Egypt.


but palestinians are not allowed that priveledge nor are they
allowed the luxuries of food or water or medical treatment?

Quote:
My knowledge of the area doesn't come from being a Jew, my interest in it does. I've studied Arab and Jewish history and culture my entire life, and from what I can see I'm more informed than anyone here, including you. I don't need to rely on wiki's to discuss the topic. Unlike some people, I'm not trying to win an argument, or shove my point of view down anyone's throat, I'm just trying to discuss the topic.


for someone so well informed you seems to be dropping a lot of
bad information, the wiki links are to show you that you're off
base with much of it

Quote:
Any thoughts on a solution to the current situation that is viable both short, and long term?


termination with extreme prejudice, if 2 children are fighting
and you tell them repeatedly to stop yet they continue, what's
the next course of action, tell them again?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: DimensionX]
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DimensionX said:
Also Israel must stop encroaching onto Palestinian land, further more they must give back a lot of the land they have taken. This should be accompanied by a large humanitarian aid effort to help the Palestinians rebuild. There will be parts within the Palestinian population who will continue to attack Israel, but the more Israel continues with these humanitarian actions the more of a minority these people will become.



pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a
good start, 20 are sanctioned but the israelis, another 10 or
more are illegal, all were noting more than squatters trying to
steal more land


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Better yet instead of Tarvuism we start a new religion. But for ease of conversion we should use some of the older deities. I'm just going to pick El, Ra and Isis. This way we have a trinity which makes things nice. Now since two of the deities have only two letters we will use only the first two of Isis and combine these to make the country name:

EL-IS-RA, Elisra, doesn't jive,

RA-EL-IS, Raelis, thats too close to Raelianism, we might get a lawsuit!

IS-RA-EL, Israel, dang we already got that.

Yes I have been spending this evening watching Jordan Maxwell. I think in the grand scheme of things there is no solution. It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. Then they have something in common. Well that and their hatred of pork.

Pork is Kosher!


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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." - Piter De Vries, Dune

Pornography like office supplies should never be paid for.

People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

Edited by Blink Dog (01/06/09 12:48 AM)

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
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Abolish Religion in both countries,
wait 200 years
problem sovled


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
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Blink Dog said:
It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 



would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Blink Dog said:
It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 



would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?


That's how one side sees it, but there is another side you know, and neither is 100% innocent. Really both were present before the creation of Israel - I see it almost as background tensions come to the forefront. If the US was bordered by Saudi Arabia and Iran I'm sure we'd all find some sort of reason to kill eachother.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Blink Dog said:
It is up to both sides in this conflict to give up their petty territorial pissings and just learn to agree to disagree. 



would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?


If they were willing to stop doing that then yes I would.


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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." - Piter De Vries, Dune

Pornography like office supplies should never be paid for.

People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
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even though they still live on your couch and refuse to leave,
and then invite a few move friends of theirs to do the same?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Prisoner#1 said:
would you be willing to do that if someone kicked in your door,
started sleeping on your couch and smacked you around every time
you started to speak?


That's how one side sees it, but there is another side you know, and neither is 100% innocent.


yes, the other side sees it as they were entitled to the couch
and to kick you out of your home


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
even though they still live on your couch and refuse to leave,
and then invite a few move friends of theirs to do the same?


Well if they were going to stop doing that then they wouldn't do that.


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"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion." - Piter De Vries, Dune

Pornography like office supplies should never be paid for.

People around here are not paranoid enough. Everyone is a narc and our thoughts are being scanned as we speak. Any minute now a SWAT team is going to crash your door down and take you away for thought crimes.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Abolish Religion in both countries,
wait 200 years
problem sovled


Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.



it's been on my mind in the past few months the feeling like i'm growing closer to some internal religion, something new and individual... i always looked at my self as strictly atheist and i think i still am but slowly i'm starting to change my point of view on what exactly religion is which makes me reconsider my stance in general.
i had a very strong trip on cannabis a few days ago where i had to deal with these feelings (i'm completely paranoid when it comes to religions) i was thinking that it may actually be a new sort of religion that we should all practice in order to bring us closer and achieve peace in the world.

it's hard to explain but it's not a standard religion i was thinking about, more like a paradigm shift...

it just might do the trick.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
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Ill tell you whats dimmy
this whole damn thread



bad points all around

problem unsolved. lets continue


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: notapillow]
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notapillow said:
Ill tell you whats dimmy
this whole damn thread



bad points all around

problem unsolved. lets continue

:pantsfase:



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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: California]
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:laugh:


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Simisu]
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> Israel is NOT motivated by religious interest on this conflict and indeed in ANY of its conflicts in the area! we're just trying to survive in a place surrounded by enemies.

Israel might not be motivated by religious interest, but Israel's "enemies" use religion as an excuse/motivation for their actions against Israel.

> pulling the 30+ israeli settlements out of the west bank is a good start

Although I agree with you, Israel pulled everybody out of Gaza and returned it to the Palestinians... look how that turned out... not very peaceful.

My solution to the problem is simple... put ten Israeli kids and ten Palestinian kids in a room and don't let them out until they come up with a peace agreement with the understanding that both sides will have to honor whatever the kids come up with.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Seuss]
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I'm largely ignorant of the conflict but I guess I'd side with the Arabs, I mean the Jewish people just immigrated in droves for purely religious reasons, refused to cooperate peacefully with Palestinians and eventually set up a state against the will of all the surrounding nations.

Having said that, from a Western perspective, I really don't care much for the Muslim faith, and I am grateful for any action that will prevent Islam's undisputed goal of world domination, and for Israel's surprise air strike on Saddam's nuclear facilities.

Fuck knows.  Just voicing an uninformed opinion.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: sam420]
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Quote:
I'm largely ignorant of the conflict but I guess I'd side with the Arabs, I mean the Jewish people just immigrated in droves for purely religious reasons, refused to cooperate peacefully with Palestinians and eventually set up a state against the will of all the surrounding nations.


:rofl:

You should have stopped with the "I'm largely ignorant of the conflict"...

Take a look at http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm for a decent account of how things came about...


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