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Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador
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Hello dear shroomery members. First I want to thank you for the support and information you have given me in the past. Recently I decided to do a little experiment and I think the least I can do to express my gratitude for the help is share the results and that way be of help for the future generations of growers and also ask some questions.
Here is the situations. I have 54 300 ml jars. 20 of them are filled with popcorn, 34 with cococoir fibers. I have added around 5 % of humus and a half a teaspoon of gypsum. Everything has been pressure cocked for 1 hour and 30 minutes. I inoculated 20 jars(10 corn/10 coir) with P. Cubensis Equador and 34 (10 corn/ 24 coir) with P.Mexicana. I have ordered the spores from FSRE.

Day 1(3 hours since inoculation) On the left is the Equador, on the right the Mexicanas.

This is the incubator. The temperature is 26 degree Celsius.
I will keep you updated.


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:alert: Everything I post is completely fictitious, and for your amusement only. All the pictures I post are either photoshopped or ripped from the internet. Whenever i trade for spores it is for examining the spores under microscopes to see their characteristics. There is no reason why I would ever want to nor will I grow mushrooms containing psilocybin. :alert:

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: Estario]
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im kinda confused
you cant knock up coir with spores lol
and thank you for choosing a Ps. mex strain, i cant wait for more people to grow em


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: grod31]
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the reason being is that theres no nutritional value in coir that mycelia use for culturing. Its used in the casing stage...

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: FractalReactor]
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Coir is organic. It does contain nutritions. Do a search. It is claimed to be superior to grain substrates and i want to see for myself if this is true.


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All Of RR's Notes On Mushroom Cultivation Forum - a must read
:alert: Everything I post is completely fictitious, and for your amusement only. All the pictures I post are either photoshopped or ripped from the internet. Whenever i trade for spores it is for examining the spores under microscopes to see their characteristics. There is no reason why I would ever want to nor will I grow mushrooms containing psilocybin. :alert:

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: Estario]
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You need to inoculate grains or brf cakes with spores if you want results.  Inoculating coir with spores will give you nothing.

P mexicana is a species, not a strain.
RR


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: RogerRabbit]
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the reason being is that theres no nutritional value in coir that mycelia use for culturing. Its used in the casing stage...


BULLSHIT!


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: dead]
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I've never seen coir used in jars... can you elaborate on how this might be true instead of issuing of being childish and not contributing? Thx...

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: FractalReactor]
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FractalReactor said:
the reason being is that theres no nutritional value in coir that mycelia use for culturing. Its used in the casing stage...


Interesting. I gotta tell that to the 3 pounds fresh cubes that I harvested from 3 trays of rye berries spawned to straight coir just before Christmas. They'll be very surprised to learn they've been feeding off of nothing.
It's not used in jars, it's used as a bulk substrate and it is a very good one at that. Your info is outdated.
You can mix it with straw, poo, throw in some coffee grinds, worm castings... but it will perform very well by itself. And mycelium just rips through that stuff like mad, too.


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: German Kahuna]
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I've used it as a bulk substrate as well... and it works well. But using it in jars was unknown to me. I've been partial to rye jars or LGBR jars. Didn't mean to offend... I'm curious to see how those jars turn out.

Interesting. No one called out grod31 for claiming you can't inoculate coir... I guess my info has been outdated for an hour and 13 minutes... (sigh, how fast technology evolves)...

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: German Kahuna]
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Indeed. Check out this coir tray (popcorn spawned to coir,verm & coffee)



Does that look like mushrooms growing on a non-nutritious substrate?

e.
You're being a bit inconsistent... first you say coir can only be used as casing, then you say you have used it as bulk substrate. Which is it?


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"The third eye. You spend years doing everything you can to open it and then the damn thing opens and your friends laugh at you when you tell them you can see their souls behind their eyes burning like rainbows."

Links:
:regularshroom:Nibin's Guide for Noobs
:regularshroom:some easy teks on bulk & grain prep. (my journal)

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: FractalReactor]
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FractalReactor said:
I've used it as a bulk substrate as well... and it works well. But using it in jars was unknown to me. I've been partial to rye jars or LGBR jars. Didn't mean to offend... I'm curious to see how those jars turn out.

Interesting. No one called out grod31 for claiming you can't inoculate coir... I guess my info has been outdated for an hour and 13 minutes... (sigh, how fast technology evolves)...


You DON'T inoculate it, you SPAWN to it. Maybe there's a bit of a misunderstanding going on here. You use rye berries, WBS or popcorn (or even BRF cakes that you break up) as spawn and coir as the substrate.


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: German Kahuna]
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I think I said "Its used in the casing stage." As in casing a bulk substrate. NOT in a jar... geesh. Thx guys...

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: German Kahuna]
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What about BRF and coir rather than verm?

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: FractalReactor]
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Quote:
I think I said "Its used in the casing stage." As in casing a bulk substrate.


Then you're using incorrect terminology. I don't even case my bulk substrates, casing and spawning to bulk are two different animals.

Casing as a verb refers to the act of applying a casing layer to a colonized bulk substrate or colonized grain. Casing as a noun refers to the casing layer. So, you do NOT use coir in "the casing stage", you use it before the casing stage, in the "spawning stage".


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"The third eye. You spend years doing everything you can to open it and then the damn thing opens and your friends laugh at you when you tell them you can see their souls behind their eyes burning like rainbows."

Links:
:regularshroom:Nibin's Guide for Noobs
:regularshroom:some easy teks on bulk & grain prep. (my journal)

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: dead]
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Can anyone comment on this: If his coir does not grow, he can then just use it to spawn the popcorn to, no? So essentially, if he uses exactly what he has a bit differently, if the people who say coir wount support the spores, he can use it as a bulk sub.

If so, no harm, no foul :smile:


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: fizzbin]
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Experiments are good.

Good Luck :thumbup:


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: djmako7]
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Thanks for the support. I will see how things develop. If there are no signs of germinations, at least there will be a thread to post links to, when another noob, who didn't read well enough, makes such a foolish attempt. But why can't mycelium colonize coir? It has nutritions. I am not questioning the statements of experts such as RR, I am just curious what is the reason. If you can give me some materials explaining what kind of substrate (nutritions, mineral content, microorganisms) mushrooms do need.
EDIT: Can you give me a link to a good LC technique and a good guide for spawning. I used the search functions, but most threads I find are just questions about ratio, preparation and such. Is it necessary to use spawn bags, because I don't have access to such kind of equipment.


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All Of RR's Notes On Mushroom Cultivation Forum - a must read
:alert: Everything I post is completely fictitious, and for your amusement only. All the pictures I post are either photoshopped or ripped from the internet. Whenever i trade for spores it is for examining the spores under microscopes to see their characteristics. There is no reason why I would ever want to nor will I grow mushrooms containing psilocybin. :alert:

Edited by Estario (12/29/08 01:03 AM)

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: Estario]
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how can you compare cats to dogs and liquid food vs solid food and expect for us not to tear this thread down?


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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: Estario]
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Estario said:
Hello dear shroomery members. Recently I decided to do a little experiment Everything has been pressure cocked for 1 hour and 30 minutes.


:rofl2:

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Re: Third Grow- An Experiment Popcorn vs. Coir/P.Mexicana vs. P.Cubensis Equador [Re: galadar]
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lol, my thoughts exactly.


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